seriously considering attempting to organize a group here again.

O no i doubt most are clueless and i sure was when i started looking into communes and homesteading. Well i still am seeing how i havent experience anything other than what ive read online and in books. Well i did get a taste of some real hard labor 2 summers ago digging a trench to hook our house up to the new sewer system. All the pleasent memories of digging through clay and rock during the hot summer are coming back to me now

And i know your not being harsh, after all its your guys land so therefore it only makes sense in my mind that you make the rules.

 

Somehow I get the feeling I was ripped a new one! Ahhh well I think I get the gist of it and had no problem to begin with. It's quite alright though as it's not something I know much about at all. My interest is in part because I think more of these types of arrangements will need to be made if people are really interested in surviving when (NOT if) the shit hits the fan... and I believe THAT'S already underway.

It isn't practical for me to consider joining your arrangement- I seriously question what I'd honestly be able to bring to the table beyond a solid back and willingness to use it. It would make more sense if there were something closer to home that I could contribute to anyway.. There sure as hell aren't going to be many safe places once the system collapses and half the country is out of a job and the other half is stuck wondering how they're going to cough up $16 or $20 a gallon for gas just to get to work. It ain't going to be pretty. What's left of the government and military will have their hands full keeping a hundred million hungry people from pillaging and looting. I suppose there'd be job opportunities there but with secure housing?

 

I have nothing, and if I came to your farm I would not expect to have any say until I get your respect. I would expect to be kicked off the land any time (although after a month or so I would hope you would be willing to give more than a hours notice...) since it is NOT my land and I didnt even bring anything to you place. I am also living with my parents, but my attitude isnt as shitty as these other guys. I would expect to he forced to work HARD and earn your respect.

I have experience with gardening fruits and vegetables and raising chickens, however I would need a refresher since most was in my childhood years.

I fully understand if you wouldn't want somebody like me joining your farm. I am unexperienced and have nothing material wise to bring.

 

No comment about most of this stuff, but:

That is wrong. Working for a living IS the way most people afford land. As they say, "Been there, done that". But it takes a long time, hard work, struggle, dedication, and sacrifice.

Yep, You're right. And similar to them, I too have been screwed over by folks I was trying to help.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .. what i typed wasnt meant toward you lol.. was an in general n was sposed to more point to what you was saying... .. iffin i was rippin ya a new one,,, you would have definitely known it n not just thunk it

 

give one of us a shout whiskers if you are interested, we can explain further

 

hehehe

'tis not a problem... I was aware that I had used the term "communal living" when you (well, HHB) had clearly stated it wasn't. Repeating shit over and over to us boneheads can get tiresome. Besides, the older I get the more I realize that sometimes people aren't doing me any favors by sparing my feelings and sugar coating the truth when I'm wrong about something. Ya gots to get my attention by whatever means at your disposal.

I wish I lived alot closer because I don't have a whole lot of hope in finding anyone in this area that has a fucking clue- let alone experience existing outside suckling on the teat of this fucking infrastructure. The rich and connected are going to scram and convert to another currency when the banks all go belly up and the fed can't bail 'em out. Whatever's left is going to decay for a time and the overpopulation will take care of itself quickly enough I think. Good time to invest in a sidearm and bullets at very least.

 

You put down a lot of people that post on here HBH. I bet a lot of them go and make a life nice life off of the grid with friends and family living with them.
There are a good number of communities you don’t hear about do you know why? They have a good health community and don’t need to advertise for a never-ending cycle of people that come hate the place and leave. They have plenty of members that are happy and don’t leave every month.
Yes shitty communities always blame the visitors and ex members and say we need to find better people and do better screening and then you see extensive applications like the one you posted.
You guys are so critical and act like your model of life is the only workable one.
Well it’s not. And it doesn’t seem to be working any way so I don’t know why you keep spouting off expert advise and putting down peoples dreams just because they don’t fit in with your idea of what they should be.
If you go look at places with low priced land and lots of forest there is a lot of hippies living off the grid places like Oregon, Washington, Northern Idaho, Northern California big island of Hawaii to name a few. Most of them have a good number of people to live and contribute in their small communities and they don’t need to make applications every year or advertise on the Internet.
I am critical your community structure because I have seen many like it fail and none work, but mostly because you sit on here and be critical of everyone else’s dream and plan.

And I bet a lot of them you have put down are doing a lot better then yours.

 

bummer for you, since ive had my eyes opened up a little i think ive thought up an ok plan on where to go. And i agree with ya about the side arm and bullets. Once i get a job im planning on getting a mosin rifle and i would get a pistol too but i believe you have to be 21.

 

Buddy- if I decide to join an off the grid living arrangement I expect to be kept busier than I've ever been in my life. I think the problem is that too many people get the idea that an hour or so of half work is somehow going to support their presence. From what I've read, people who think they know what the lifestyle is all about but haven't actually lived it probably don't know any more than me... and I KNOW I'm ignorant of it. There are way too many details of my day to day life that rely on electricity, clean water, access to a grocery store, and leave me with an abundance of time to go back and forth with people on the internet about shit I don't know Jack Shit about (do you know Jack Shit? I hear he's a great fella, but I've never met him personally).

Part of the screening process is being honest about what to expect. I'm more likely to be suspicious about someone selling me on how wonderful everything will be. Screening processes work both ways, you know.

 

Instinct tells me that you'll probably be alright as you seem to have a lot more horse sense than the average person out there. I have a bit of time to get my gears churning. I have family in Maine and there's property- the thing is getting there and picking a time to communicate a plan to people. Most of my relatives hunt- and I think my grandfather kept heirloom seeds before he died a couple years ago. There is a fair number of neighbors and I'm curious as to how that would fit into the equation. Ah well... time is short methinks...

 

I haven't read the full post because it was getting ridiculous, but I'm gonna give my 2 cents...


I know what guys do (not think, know) and I know what you guys are all about. If I were you, I wouldn't expect ANYTHING out of this forum, if you do, you are pretty lucky. I've been here for a while and sometimes I still don't get why I stick to hipforums because people say so much shit without knowing and than treat you like a freakin' ass if you react.

In reality, I think you shouldn't even post in the communual living (even hipforums) because I think it's getting to much poetic and philosophical while they forget the most important; having somewhere warm too sleep and having something on table. That might sound simple but like I keep on sayin', needs A LOT of work to be done, and lots of skills and knowledge.

Some might shit on me for this... but since I've been on here... I start to hate "hippies" more and more (most of 'em). They are just about ideas, philosophy, dreams, some pretending "spirituality".

This post makes me more sick about it reading some people replies. For people telling you wouldn't like the be part of Dilli/HB group... just shut the fuck up and go see another so call spiritual guru and see how long you'll survive...

I think it's gonna be one hell of a job looking for those people, you might have more chance on a survival forum? The deal is, the folks you are looking for are already into action, saving for it, or already owning it... not writing poetry about it in their parents' basement while their parent work for the bread on the table.

While the opportunity seems great, I think same minded folk will not be willing to loose all they've gain solid in their actual life to risk life somewhere else. I know you offer a lot, but on a life scale that doesn't offer to much security for someone's expectations to raise a family. People that can move on usually are homeless, living off their parents (homeless).

Good luck with that... But hey, hippies (in general) and work dont seem to fit... after all, why would they work if they have some herbs to smoke?!?

 

^Yeah that’s the truth never believe a community is utopia if someone tells you that they are either very new there or lying. heheehe


I know why HBH and dillaf are aggressive about the work thing I have been around hippies I know how they work (or lack of it).
I just don’t think the living under someones rule thing works especially with free spirited people like hippies.

 

I don't think they are particularly interested in "hippies" per se... they are looking for individuals who will prove to be assets.

It's one thing when hangers-on make themselves unwelcome by being lay-abouts then go home to mommy's and daddy's basement and crash for a decade but this could prove to be for survival and if you get the reputation for taking in anyone- that's what's going to show up at the door-- in abundance- and I think even ammo needs to be rationed.

 

well ,, we know this . was an experimental type thing... lack of entertaining things to do outside whilst waiting for the weather to dry up a bit n get back out there.. We knew better than to expect anything less than what we have gotten...we were more curious as to what sort of responses we would get from here as compared to the survival forums where i am a member .

As to what we really offer or what rules we have here,, they havent even been mentioned... tis sorta what is really funny about it all... was originally nothing more than a mere announcement of sorts n the silly younguns got all worked up.... what evil things us land barons do in our spare time ?

 

our what? our farm?

could you please show me where ive ever put down a actual existing commune?
NO,,no ya cant.. i only have issues with those that promote communes that exist only in there heads..

so can ya show me where ive put down someone for promoting a commune that was all in there head and now they have accomplished there dream??
NO,,no ya cant..

i rest my case.

 

oi... hippie hilbillie....

... just wanted to let you know i wasnt posting to tell you all the fucking answers, i posted to have, oh i dont remember what their called after your posts,... but i think its called a civilized discussion....

i dont really know if your veiw of this great perfect community is what many people have in mind. from my experience the people that want to make change arent the ones who can give that kind of money, if any.... and 50,000 bucks for a buy in, to have any say on they should live their fucking life is ridiculous....
You have all the say in the world, by your actions you make your thoughts and dreams something solid.... not with 50 K....
and dreams and ideas, sometime (or so i hear ) every so once in a while do great things... they are the things that fuel the passion for what we do...
...and your actions are fruitless if you dont believe in what your doing....

Now i was not saying people that live in a community shouldnt protect themselves and each other from outsiders that would want to harm their dreams... i never said that.... im saying a dictator from past experiences in human history seem to leave a long trail of downtrodden and beaten people underneath them... i just wanted to bring up that people SHOULD protect themselves...and by them knowing that they have the option and dont need someone towering over top of them to protect them, because they can do that themselves....
and look i never posted to be ridiculed so if you'd like i wont intrude into your delicate thread for a discussion....
and yeah so what if had some law issues that my parents helped to solve... how in any way does that affect who i am... .that was information posted on a thread for people closer to me than you, so i'de like if you stayed out of my personal buisness....

now i'de like to bring up that buy in rate you talked about before....Dont you think that if someone truely has the heart and desire, the will to do the work, love for their fellow man and the want to get along, dont you feel that even if he doesnt have pockets as filled with gold, as you apparently do; should he not be given that fair chance that every man deserves and be given a chance to work his or her way into the community by good old fashion kindness... if they truely desire the freedom they deserve, things that man is truly destined for , like love, compassion , kindness ,charity should be shown to them regardless of how much money he has... and if they show enough respect and gratitude and return the kindness thought labor or entertainment or even by monetary payment, as you made clear is so important, should they then not be allowed into the community with open hands....

.... Im not some clueless kid. But i most certainly am a fucking dreamer.... and im sorry if you are so afraid of ideas that you reject young dreamers because of that youthful vigor they all have... of course kids are going to be inexperienced in many ways. But if we were to reject the young for their pure human nature, doing all that they know how to do and wanting to do even more, would be beyond absurd, and outright uptight and narrow minded
....And in the end would lead to a stagnant world, with nothing new...

so like i stated before im dead serious about what im doing... and i hoped that if anything i could have a discussion with some decent like-minded people, and it certainly apears that everyone has their own opinions of everything, and i never claimed to know it all....and i want to hear all of your opionions...
gobot, great points, all of them...escpecially about all the off grid communities around the country...
but hippiehillbilly... grow the fuck up

 

secondly i'de like to apologize for my language... just looked at it after i posted it, and i just get heated sometimes... its all about intensity level i do not mean to offend anyone, its been anwhile since ive done much online talking of any kind, it feels brand new again....
...i do hope tho that from this a civil discussion can erupt with passion, and in the course will spark some great ideas and thoughts, that will fuel some even greater and more prolific experiences to come....
.. and in the future ill try to find different ways to express myself....
be excellent...
...Json

 

first off,if you dont want people bringing up your personal life dont put a link to it in a thread.. and yes it does have EVERYTHING to do with your little dream of a commune completely funded by someone else.(i saw NOWHERE in your link where you even suggested making money and buying your own land,everything was scamming the government or having someone gift you the land) quite frankly i find that disgusting.

secondly, i stated if you want equal say right off the bat that is what it will cost you,nowhere did i say that was the stipulation to come here.
also i have already stated and provided 1 example of the fact that NO commune that i know of gives equal say to any new member for at least 6 months to a year(virtually all stipulate long time members will always have the final say). not to mention the fact that almost all charge for there internships or require a 1 time buy in to the community.
as i stated we are actually asking less of someone than most all communes in the united states.not that we have went into any detail of what we offer or expect whatsoever in this thread.

ive explained my views ive explained and explained here, what i didnt touch on dilligaf did,.. so read our posts in this thread an maybe,quite possibly,,you may get a inkling as to where we are coming from..
if not,oh fucking well...

thats just the way it is...