SCOTUS stops the election interference....cold!

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    True it can be very time consuming to seek the truth.
    Much easier to just "express" whatever opinion you have with no basis in fact.
    It's an old propaganda ploy.

    The MAGA crew does this all the time; Hillary eats babies, Hunter takes Chinese money, Joe Biden is demented, Joe Scarborough is a murderer, Obama isn't a U.S. citizen, Trump's victory was stolen, vaccines cause autism, on and on....
    Who needs citations, they're ineffective at changing MAGA minds, and darn...soooo time consuming.

    Just throw sh-t agaisnt the wall and see what stinks.
    Let others take the time to seek the truth..we have propaganda to spread!!!
     
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  2. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Haha criticized by someone who thinks using the term "bloodbath" in an economic setting is rare... I'll take it for what it's worth. Clearly that person has not worked in a sizeable corporate setting as it's used informally rather frequently to describe a big economic loss.

    That rupar about the presidential candidate who used it was a big stretch for the competition, but this time they got called out on the carpet pretty fast. That's something like the fiftieth hoax they've pulled on this person. More and more people seem to be catching on.
     
  3. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    What is this propaganda trick called? It's where you list several things and include some that nobody believes so that the casual recipient subconsciously thinks that everything listed is false. It has a name, I can't think of it at the moment.
     
  4. Bocci

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    An expression opinion that is not supported with citations hardly constitutes spreading propaganda. Even if my expressed opinions were incorrect, that would still not constitute propaganda. Promoting the use of cigarettes to generations of women by labelling them as “freedom sticks” and associating them with suffrage and women’s liberation seems like a better example of propaganda to me.

    As I have clearly stated, if my expressions do not ring true with you, then dismiss them. I’m here to read others’, preferably differing, opinions. Echo chambers are boring.
     
  5. Toker

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    You make it sound like propaganda is just one person expressing an opinion. Here's a good definition.
    So yes, spreading is the key word, and are you sure that's not what is going on? If major media only relies on opinions and serves to propagate them without fact checks or opposing views, it's propaganda. If it quacks like propaganda, it is propaganda.
     
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  6. Toker

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    I think you got it backwards, it's when you list things that are true, along with lies so that people who trust you believe the lies too. It's called the big con, or gaslighting. Trump is a master at it, his only real talent.
     
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  7. scratcho

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    It could be called a "fair and balanced news organization " started and maintained by so-called "news "reporters, but basically is a completely untrustworthy propaganda machine for the right wing spin machine .
     
  8. Bocci

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    So am I correct in my reading of your statement that you believe that by expressing opinions that you disagree with or think are wrong that I’m spreading propaganda?
     
  9. Tishomingo

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    It's called the "illusory truth effect". Illusory truth effect - The Decision Lab
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Yes we need to consider the context.

    The bloodbath remark wasn't made by an executive of Ford motor company discussing losses from the manufacture and selling of the Pinto, it was made by someone who has been convicted of rape, led an insurrection agaisnt the United States, offered to pay the legal bills of anyone who beat up protesters, told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by, warned of death and destruction if he were charged by the Manhattan district attorney, said Gen. Mark Milley deserved the death penalty, called for shop lifters to be shot on sight, called two men who beat a homeless man with a pipe passionate, suggested a protester should be roughed up after he was beaten, chanted "lock her up" in regards to a political rival, said he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters, told rally goers to knock the crap out protesters, said he'd like to punch a protester in the face, likes waterboarding, advocated for police violence, said it's "very, very appropriate to attack protesters", bullied FOX reporter Megyn Kelly leading to death threats, calls the free press the enemy of the people, on and on...and don't forget his lawyers argue that he has a right to execute his political rivals.
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    There are different types of propaganda. I am referring to the use of non rational arguments, disinformation, emotionally charged messages, and the presentation of ideas and opinions without supporting evidence of their validity in order to promote an agenda.
    In this case the MAGA agenda.
     
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  13. Bocci

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    Ok. I get the impression that any political opinion you dislike is automatically the MAGA agenda. I’m not even sure what the maga agenda is. If the opinions that I express are part of it then I’m inclined to believe that the MAGA policies arose due to a measurable dissatisfaction with the way things have been going in our society. For example, I realized all these endless foreign wars had nothing to do with “making the world safe for democracy” or any of the other officially stated reasons, way back when I was in the army.
     
  14. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    That illusory truth effect is broad and not limited to any one tactic. That list tactic is specific technique and there's some specific name for it.
     
  15. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Yes, George Stephanopoulos, we hear what you're saying. And it's exposing the content of your character, sir.
     
  16. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Essentially all political debate.
     
  17. granite45

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    Right….that’s the GOP take on politics….pretty ugly to most honest people.
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    Au contraire. I disagree with most of Republican Liz Chaney's views, for instance her support of the Supreme Court's ruling to overturn Roe v. Wade. But I strongly agree with her views on Trump. She is not a proponent of the MAGA agenda.

    I don't know what foreign wars you are talking about, so I can't agree or disagree, but if you are referring to the Russian invasion of Ukraine I would have to say that our support of Ukraine has everything to do with “making the world safe for democracy”.
    The Israeli war is another story as it is very complicated.

    The MAGA agenda is the installation of a dictator named Donald Trump.

    It is following these classic fascists steps:
    1. The use of threats of violence to gain power by the intimidation of voters and local officials.
    2. Consolidation of power. In 2020 Trump, just like Hitler, issued an executive order allowing him to fire thousands of civil servants in the U.S and replace them with his hand picked stooges. He is now vowing to fire every civil servant if reelected. (Project 2025)
    3. Establish a police state.
    Trump plans to deploy the military within the U.S. to round up what he calls 18 million illegal immigrants to be placed in camps for mass deportations. Sound familiar?
    And he claims he will sends troops into blue cities and states agaisnt the governors and mayors of those cities and states to combat his imaginary crime wave.
    He plans to invoke the insurrection act to crush protests, imagine that. Him invoke the insurrection act.
    And, and he plans to pardon the insurrectionists currently serving time for the takeover of the capitol building.
    4. Jail the opposition.
    Trump plans to indict anyone who is beating him in the polls, replace the justice department and FBI and investigate civil rights attorneys. He claims his opponents are subhuman. And he claims he can send a SEAL team to assassinate his opponents.
    5. Undermine the free press. You know, the enemy of the people.
    Trump has undermined the media so that the MAGA crowd refuses to research or believe any news other than that which supports their beliefs.

    He is their most trusted source of information.

    Do any of your views comport with any of those five steps or not?
    If not I assume you will not be voting for Trump.
     
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  20. MeAgain

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    I have no ideas what you are saying here.
     

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