Schools are NOT responsible for your childrens' education

haha.. I thought you did that on purpose!!

I quoted backwards..

 

I agree, parents in general need to take more responsibility in their kids education I'm sure most people agree with you.

 

i'm so glad i got out of the sham of what public schooling is and will continue to be up here in Boston.

what a crock of shit it all was.

 

No, it's not 100 percent. Especially when you have 30 kids to classroom. It;s impossible.
In Nevada, you have to be off school campus by 3:00 if you;re a teacher, according to the union. So even the good teachers, who want to help after school and be a mentor and pass on mentorship to another teacher year after year, they can't.
In CA they often did. 'I had John this year. His homelife sucks. His dad left'. OK, let's put him with a male teacher who can mentor him and get him involved in activities, that can;t happen here. It happened all the time in CA.
It shouldn;t HAVE to be up to the schools, but unfortunatley, like with everything else, we have to take up the slack fromt he rest of society.
Now, in high school when a kid just doesn;t want to learn and has no desire to spend time with or build a trusting relationship with adults, there's nothing you can do.
I don;t think any teacher should be required to mentor or make a child learn. Sometimes a job is just a job and you do your 8 hours, make sure your kids get high enough tests scores and have most of them fall into the B range with a couple F students. That's fine, it means you;re doing what you;re getting paid to do.
In fact, if you are like that and leave the straggelers behind I would appreciate it if I were an involved parent who made sure my kid learned, as you would have more attention for my kid.
I guess I lead myself back to your orginal answer. No, it shouldn;t be the school's responsibility or the teacher's as long as the teacher and the school are doing the best job they can WHILE they are on the clock (no special shit required imo).

 

hahaaa, no I have dyeslxia. That's why I have spelling errors too. It;s pretty funny at times though. I;ve miss spelled some words accidentaly into naughty, 4 letter words while giving presentations at old jobs and when I used to tutor in college. It's funny the high school kids I tutored and the white collar professionals all had the same reaction and jokes.

 

I agree with BSR; a schools primary function is to create a structured environment in which children learn to interact socially.

They learn to form relationships, work in groups, and compete with each other physically in gym class, creatively during art class, and mentally in the classroom; each step micromanaged by the teacher or teacher’s assistant.

While children should learn the basics (and they do) it’s more important to inspire them to want to learn

Hotwater

 

The goal of any teacher worth his/her salt.:cheers2:

 

Actually I’m stealing a quote from Rachel Carson

“It’s more important to inspire children to want to learn, rather fill their head with facts
they’re not ready to assimilate”


Hotwater

 

you're a doll.

 

While I agree that should happen, I can tell you from first hand experience it does not, at least here. It would be nice for there to be PE and art, but no state taxes = no opportunity for subjects deemed non-essential. High student to teacher ratios equals a lot of worksheets.
I am just recounting the way I see it in the schools, not the way it ought to be.

 

I'm going to go make soap because this is one of those pointless arguments where I try and see otehr people's side and no one else does. Doesn;t make for interesting conversation and too many conversations like these make me socially retarded from over exposure to one-sidedness.

 

Did you ever consider the possibility (I know, I know, as remote as it might be)
that we’re right, and you’re (dare I say) wrong – gulp





Hotwater

 

hotwater

 

Whoa, 3 kids !
That's a lot of kids.

 

Jai, I dunno maybe things have changed since Labour been in.Plus u ain’t a guy!LOL.But I saw some horrific teaching and teachers.U are in Herts yeah?I went to school in working class ex steel towns.

I found at law school, there were simply no working class state kids.Well 3 out of 120 students in my year.(Strangely all 3 were big in martial arts too-maybe no-one bullied them?LOL)

There were working class kids who’d had scholarships to private schools.And some state school kids- but only from posh areas.

I think most British kids have a really shit deal if they want to go to for “middle class” unis and careers.

 

If a marry a teacher I might consider home schooling. They can do the lesson plan, I'll do the whipcracking.

 

Lyns,yeah I can see that happening.Maybe I’m confusing you tho’ too.
BSR said schooling was about getting people to want to interact.
But my pt was that it had the opposite effect on me.I ended up seeing most people as pretty resentful of each other ,not really interested in working collectively
It gave me the view that people are closed minded and associating with them would drag me down.

A working or even lower middle class boy who’s scholastic is seen in babyschool as a “sell out”/traitor.Because traditionally they would choose( or some say“need”!) to talk differently to get to Oxbridge- and adopt values contrary to their own “class”.

Teachers were happy with the kids having much lower expectations.Ours aren’t always at all bright, so they feel threatened by /resent "clever "kids.Teachers are also often bitter about their own lack of advancement.
Kids are also aware that a clever working class kid doesn’t nec see exams translate into money.
Whereas the streetwise kid might do a lot better.

This is because British professions etc are social class/family contact based, rather than academic merit based traditionally.

Bottom line tho, the problem is scandalous underfunding of our state schools.

I didn’t read the whole thread so I don’t know BSR’s context here.
But in England , private school kids spend 20k GB a year on schooling, state schooling would “cost” 1 k.( class sizes ,resources, teacher quality etc).
Ofcourse this means private kids fly thro exams even if they’re idiots.

But the big lie they’re brainwashed is that they’re “morally better” than state kids.And that state school kids are akin to monkeys who constantly need to be slapped down or a “rod of iron”.

Utter, antiquated shit, but that’s Britain…and I suppose the same crap as u'd hear in some private American schools.

 

I don't know about uni or careers, I only talk from experience.

This is where I have a problem. Every teacher I've ever had has tried to push me to be better, and if they weren't pushing me they were busy trying to push someone else. They haven't always been able to do it well with a class of 30 or so but a lot of my teachers are trying to get us all to get good grades, to learn, stay to sixth form etc. Go to higher education.

 

Resso, I really don't think that teachers try to keep working class people down. The working class' acceptance of a class system and their inability/reluctance to attempt to break from it does that job well enough.

I grew up pure working class/council estate. I got badgered by a lot of my mates for doing well in school, but 90% of my teachers saw my willingness to study as something that they could build on.

If my parents and teachers hadn't pushed me, and it had been left up to the kids on my street, I would have dropped out at 14.

The karma-coated excuses(it's not my destiny to be educated) and the blue-collared bitterness of most working class people is what's holding them down, not the teachers.