School Shooting in Broward County, FL

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I addressed all these ideas in post #87.
    Do you have any idea how much money it takes to run a proper metal detector operation?

    Here's something we haven't tried...ban all guns that hold more than six rounds.
     
  2. Eric!

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    No, I don't how much it is. How much is it? Regardless, no matter what the cost is, I would contribute for the safety of my daughter by paying my share in taxes to fund this security requirement. And you mean banning all magazines that hold more than six rounds, not guns. But why only 6 rounds? What's the rationale behind that?
     
  3. Meliai

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    the issue with guns isnt limited to school shootings.

    There have been mass shootings in a movie theatre, concert, on a college campus.

    Then of course we have to take into account accidental gun deaths, suicides, homocide by gun, etc

    Also just to point out, my high school installed metal detectors after Columbine. In the main entrance only. It had multiple entrances and it was against fire code to lock the other entrances. When some schools are suffering from mold problems and lack basic supplies for students it seems like a misapproperation of funds to put metal detectors in every entrance of every school. I can see this going in the direction of schools in high income areas being protected, leaving schoola in low income areas vulnerable .

    Better to prevent the shooter from having a gun in the first place imo
     
  4. ahsorandy

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    Nah, just go back to muskets! Single shot, at least 30 seconds to reload.

    This is the type of gun that was available when the 2nd amendment was drafted. I'm sure that when this was passed by Congress, I believe they would have never passed it based on today's access to assault rifles! JMHO, and, likely wishful thinking.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    Huh, I thought Stephen Paddock used an AR 15 with a bump stock to shoot 909 people in 10 minutes from the 32nd floor, killing 58 of them from a range of 490 yards, not to mention putting 200 bullets through his hotel room door. He had 14 AR 15s with bump stocks.
    He also had 7 .308 AR 10s with bi pod legs and scopes. One of these was probably used to shoot the fuel tank 2,000 yards away.

    The rate of fire was consistent with an AR 15 fitted with a bump stock.
    I guess he was pretty lucky, the dead and wounded, not so much.

    Whitman took 96 minutes to hit 42 people killing 11 from the 28th floor.
     
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  6. MeAgain

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    The crowd was 490 yards away, as I stated. That's almost 5 football fields.
    Multiple this picture by 5:
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  7. Aerianne

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    Yet, you're still posting about them!
     
  8. Kerri

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    Enough is enough with our gun fetish, which only serves to make weak men feel powerful.

    And if you’re first reaction to gets getting murdered is liberals will take my guns then you suck ad a human being
     
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  9. Asmodean

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    Haha :p ;)

    But not for thought provoking or discussion - triggering reasons. (yes, I can't help myself. Too much free time :D)
     
  10. NotMyRealName

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    So as it happens I went to a City Council meeting last night. Before they heard the public vote on existing topics, they discussed the steps they are taking now to address this.

    Now I'll preclude this by saying I live in a very safe community and excellent schools and fiscal responsibility. So our needs may not reflect other locations needs.

    But here is what they informed us as they are doing now that did not require any citizen votes at this stage. They are taking funds from both the PD and the Board of Education budgets and reallocating funds to place in our case 3 what they called School Resource Officers in each school. In our case 3 schools. Further they are purchasing some pretty good looking and effective door barricade systems. They showed a video of them . Takes about 5 seconds to secure a door from the inside. Teachers will be trained on their use. They look very easy to use.

    They said that they may be proposing additional taxes to pay for metal detectors in each school. They also said that they are not considering arming teachers at this time and couldn't do so without a vote.

    So that is an example of how some places are responding as quickly as they can.
     
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  11. Asmodean

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    ^ They're all bandaids though. The illness is not healed
     
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  12. Aerianne

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    I don't know if you saw my discussion about SRO. We have 14 officers for 51 schools.
     
  13. NotMyRealName

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    It's all new to us. We have 3 per school and 3 schools. The part I thought was good was the barricading system . Very easy to use and made a door virtually impossible to breach unless you cut through it somehow.

    And we tend to have strong law enforcement here in general. So they are coming up with a fast response system. We don't have SWAT or any of that just a good PD that represents us well.
     
  14. SpacemanSpiff

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    are you seriously arguing the effectiveness of a long range high power rifle picking off sidewalkers vs a high power short range rifle with a bump stock firing into a crowd of thousands shoulder to shoulder?
     
  15. SpacemanSpiff

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    i think i see the problem now

    when you stated "So imagine what he would have done with an AR 15 and a bump stock."....i had assumed you meant the tower shooter when you said "he"...(because you quoted it)...now i can only assume you meant this school kid

    so yes...he would most likely have killed a lot more with a bump stock (if youre talking about the kid)

    and no..he would most likely have killed a lot less with a bump stock ar 15 (if youre talking about the tower shooter)
     
  16. MeAgain

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    I don't know what your point was in telling us that an AR 15 is less accurate than a Remington Model 700 at a great distance. So what?

    The point is an AR 15 firing into a crowd at close range will do much more damage than a Remington Model 700 firing into a crowd at close range due to it's firing rate and magazine size.
    In addition the AR 15 will do more damage when fitted with or without a bump stock than a Remington Model 700 when firing into a crowd at a distance of up to five football fields, due to it's rate of fire and magazine size. You don't have to aim when shooting into a crowd.

    You are the one that compared a hit rate of a sniper taking controlled shots over an hour and a half to an effective machine gun operator firing into a crowd for ten minutes.
    Your point seemed to be that the sniper with his Remington Model 700 3 round magazine would do more damage in 10 minutes than the AR 15 fitted with a bump stock did in ten minutes as the AR 15 would have to be lucky to hit anything past 100 yards no matter what the rate of fire was.
    You also misrepresented the effective range of an AR 15.
     
  17. MeAgain

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    No, I
    No, I was talking about the tower shooter.
    The Las Vegas shooter was basically in the same tactical position as the tower shooter, in fact he was farther away from his targets and had less time to fire.
     
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  18. SpacemanSpiff

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    different targets..different locations different guns different facts

    different opinions :)
     
  19. hotwater

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  20. Meliai

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    So the crisis actor conspiracy theorists idiots have been out in full force the last couple of days.

    Not on HF thank goodness but elsewhere on the interwebz

    Oh! And I see the book Behold a Pale Horse is gaining popularity due to a passage in it about how school shootings will be used to disarm the populace

    I was practically raised on this book. My older brother was a right wing Christian conspiracy theorist before it was trendy to be one. I just dont even know what to think when I see people I respect actually taking this dumb book seriously. People I know who are generally left of center and who arent religious are all of a sudden quoting the ramblings of a right wing conspiracy theorist who bases his conspiracies on the book of Revelations

    Facepalm. Jesus I really am going to have to move out of the US one day.
     
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