Say No ! To Id Cards !!!!!

It's a horrible to watch the introduction of ID cards unfold, it's something that does feel me with disquiet, the end of the individual, you are all required to become part of the machine.

 

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Fuck that, Im not waiting for the bomb.

"It has to start somewhere, what better place than here, what better time than now!!" and....rock!!
-Rage Against the Machine-
because as we should realize.....
"You can't afford to be neutral on a moving train"
-SOD-

 

I am a Brit living in the Czech Republic, if you must know. Whatever you say, but my point is.. how do you stop them chipping these passports and getting all your personal information stored in them anyway? YOU CAN'T, therefore you can't win, Mr Cretin.
Say no to ID cards, but the passport is going to contradict anyway. They're still goimg to have every little piece of information and it's not like they don't already have high-security information about people on their systems anyway.
I don't want everyone else to do the work for me, especially if the people fighting against ID cards are just arrogant think-I-Know-it-alls, such as yourself. I means, it's not like the government are going to listen to people shouting off in forums. People who actually care, will put it forward to people who matter and not waste their times spamming to forum users who can do sweet F.A.
Get over it or go and do something useful. :spam:

 

It's not something i'm particularly worried about, but my brother has the T-shirt.

 

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All rather crude behaviour really.

A little less shouting to get your point across would be better for all concerned, hurts my ears, and it doesn't make you any bigger.

 

Well, you know, the whole issue of national ID cards was shoved through the US Congress tacked to some military spending bill. The law was passed with almost no debate, and there's virtually nothing we can do about it, unless enormous numbers of people clamor for the repeal of the law and don't shut up until it happens. Unfortunately, that's almost certain to not happen.


So many of these laws are passed in a totally undemocratic fashion, and to top it off most Americans don't give a damn anyway. I don't know how it is in the UK, but here the vast majority of Americans will just take whatever the government shoves down their throat and keep waving the flag in the process. It's really a depressing situation.

 

Yep, it's pretty much the same here in terms of the people rolling over. In fact, it's probably worse.

 

The same here in the UK, most people do not want freedom, they actualy seem to want state control of everything.

The line exists "If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" and they believe it.

 

Exactly. And nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

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I think that i.d. cards will be a 'bureaucratic nightmare' to administer & would cost the British taxpayer a fortune.It will increase the suspicions & paranoia that Tony Blair is introducing an Orwellian 'police state' via the back door.There would be a whole new crime syndication created with the profitable industry of producing 'forged' i.d. cards.

 

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If you actually want to do something about it, stop complaining on forums that aren't going to make a difference. Go and see your local MP or refuse to get an ID card when they become compulsory, protest in public etc, actually get OFF your arse and make a statement to somebody who can do something about it because as it stands, you mean nothing and are doing nothing. All this thread is good for is people having a tiny debate and going... "Well ~Hmmmmm I don't agree", "Oh me either..." but WHO is actually doing something about it? Nobody.
Just because somebody isn't taking every word of what you are ranting and moaning about as gold dust, you start getting lairy, where's that going to get you? Nowhere.

 

The scary thing is people don't seem to realise what the ID cards are about.

I was talking to my friend about them the other day and they thought it was just that it was gonna be law that you had to have this card with your birthday on it.. they didn't know about all the other stuff

 

there shouldn't be ID cards for each country, there should be a world ID card where we all can move about without borders or boundaries.

bad people will still be bad people whether there are ID cards or not, those that are going to do nasty, horrible things will still get into the country and still cause mayhem when they are here.

introducing ID cards with some backhanded idea of using it to get rid of "terrorists" and keep track of the people is an idiotic idea. as no matter what system is implemented said "baddies" will still find a way to manipulate the system and walk in the door unhindered even though the average person has to fight tooth and nail to get in and stay in any country they emigrate to.

the only good thing (in my opinion) about the whole thing is that it is rumoured once the ID cards are in place they will be giving amnesty to many people who are having to hide in the shadows and live as "ghosts" just to remain in the country, even if these people have never done anything wrong.

honestly, the way the world is going i'm suprised they aren't having a microchip surgically implanted in everyone of us in order to verify who the hell we are and where we can and can not go. and on that microchip of course would be our nationality, sexual preferance, choose of polictical party, and religion that way whatever officer of law happens upon us at anytime can use their own biases to treat each of us however they damn well please.

next thing you know, they'll be shipping everyone who doesn't agree with the system off to Antartica or the North Pole.

 

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I mean illegal immigrants, failed asylum seekers, etc. Those that got in the border, weren't granted the right to stay, but have stayed anyway living under the radar.

Here's one article about it.

And no, passports do not do that. As you could not move anywhere you like and stay there. Not unless you pay oodles of money to get the right visas and the right stamp in your passport, can prove you can sustain yourself and your family without any government help, etc.

This makes it impossible if you are poor, terminally ill, or suffer from some other horrible sickness that doesn't allow you to work properly from being able to leave whatever country you are from. Unless of course, such country is full of people that want to kill you, and even then, the chances are slim.

Say for instance, you live in Italy and you have had severe mental depression which has kept you from working for a few years. But, due to the state of the art technology we all posses you happen to meet someone you fall in love with in the States. You go visit them, decide to get married. Maybe they only earn $6.75 an hour at their minimum wage job or worse yet they too have some of the same depression issues you have and haven't been able to keep a stable job for awhile. Well, then if you want to get married and be together you are both fucked. Unless, you sneak in each other's borders (no pun intended) in order to live life together happily instead of miserable and alone.

A lot of people seem to be under the misconception that it is easy to move from one country to the next, but it is not. At least it is not, unless you earn a ton of money. Hell, even Ozzy Osbourne was denied a renewal of his green card in America because he hadn't renewed it in time, and he's a millionaire. So, if someone like that can't even stay in a country, then what's the chance of getting to stay if you aren't rich, are overly qualified, and only earning minimum wage?

Passports still denote you by whatever country you came from. They do not take in consideration that we are all from the same world and should try to live together in some sort of harmony. It's obvious, that the systems setup dictating borders and such don't keep any of the "bad" people out. It just keeps the "good" people from getting in.

 

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