Say No ! To Id Cards !!!!!

Oh man but every dood an doodess know I gonna say it like it is babe !

 

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You'll have to watch out for John Prescot though. He's got a mean left hook. There's one sure way to get to these tossers, and that's not to vote for them ever again. I will not vote for any of the so called 3 major parties in the UK Already Labour councillors are jumping boat to the Conservatives like drowning rats. Is there any real difference between any of these Elite pencilpushers who want to dictate our lives? I am voting for an independent candidate, and cross my fingers. They can stick their ID card up their ass. Where's all the terrorism? Bullshit! People get hit by cars everyday, why don't they ban cars? They say that we are destroying the atmosphere, and yet there only 5 hybrid cars in the UK to choose from, 3 of them from luxury car maker Lexus. We are being misled. You can stop them. Use your vote for someone else other than the 3 major parties. Make life difficult for the lobbyists to get their way.

 

I don't want to sound rude , but by the sound of it , it is precisely for people like you , who show an irrational and unpredictable streak that these tough measures are coming into force . You should read all the facts , gentlemen, not just the ones that suit you .

 

Silly bint. Different facts for different people. The facts are different for someone driving a Bentley, and someone who has to get a bus.

 

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WOW YOU ARE ON THE SAME PLANET AS EVERYONELSE ARENT YOU????/

 

Great signature, sentient

White Scorpion, what is your view on ID cards and the benifits of having one. Is there any advantage to identity cards?

 

You will have to backtrack a bit, Ron. This is an ongoing debate, and as certain sectors within the government try to unconstitutionally do a sly one and impose these breaches of liberty and civil rights upon us, I expect that the debate will go on.

The most important thing that everyone has to address at the moment is to "know" what is happening, and to be "aware" just how much details will be available about each and every person living in the UK to anyone from the police, military intelligence (domestic and foreign since these records will also be available to CIA, Mossad, and probably any hacker talented enough to break into the system), to hospitals, and even private companies such as banks, or supermarkets.

This basically means, Ron, and I hope I'm wrong, but also that you can be serious for a moment, that your days of having a private life are over.

It means that the moment that the authorities consider that your humor has gone a little bit too far and too close to their bone, they can locate you, arrest you on a made-up terrorism charge, and if you're lucky, your family might see you after 6 years, while you've been in a cage in total darkness.

You have to realize that not only will all your personal details be available digitally, but they could also be manipulated by unscrupulous persons to incriminate you.

They might find that in your DNA you have Iranian blood from your great-grandfather, who might have been a merchant seaman; you might not even be aware of this blood-link in your family, and be a blonde blue eyed Brit. Your ID scan will contain this information, and next thing you know you could be detained "indefinitely" on some suspicion charge.

What we are talking about, Ron, is a world that gradually resembles 'The Trial' by Franz Kafka. If you haven't read the book, you can get it, or order it from any library in the UK/US.

On this note, it might help to formulate a picture in our mind of what world you can expect by either reading The Trial, or watching the film. For the benefit of those who are not familiar with this 20th century classic I am including a wikipedia link which gives a good summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial

I don't want to stray any further from the subject in hand, but I think it's worthwhile if any of you who have the time to look into it, so you can understand what the consequences could be in the not too distant future.

And my answer is no, Ron. I don't like them one little bit, but I suppose you'll make a sweet little joke about it, which I don't mind.

 

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i have yet to personally meet anyone that thinks the ID cards are a GOOD thing. so i'm sort of wondering how they got this legislation passed in the first place. and how come, if so many ARE against it or see no benefit from it, has it yet to be stopped?

 

The PM after the next election, David Cameron, has pledged to scrap the ID cards idea. God, I'm beginning to think the Tories will actually be better than Neo Labour....

 

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Oh I'm not in danger of voting Tory, don't worry. I'll be voting Green/Respect/whatever the left wing challenge is in my constituency. I just don't actually think Cameron will be any worse than Blair, and I certainly won't vote tactically to keep Labour in power....

 

I cant suss the politics right now except to say that what I have known for the last 15 years is that there is one party made of 600 or so MP's and they are all screwing us over big style. I may actually take a serious look at the green party soon, everything is leading me in that direction anyway and I may take the time to check on what they believe now given that its been 10 or 12 years since I last did so.

 

it seems a bit strange to me sentient that you call for people to be so against them and to protest, etc. but then you say yourself you don't think they'll be stopped. that seems puzzling.

 

That is a brilliant tactical move on his part, it gets all anti ID card people, who would of course be traditional labour supporters, to actually consider a vote for the Tories on this one issue. It's actually a stroke of genius.

 

I didn't think the war could be stopped, but I still went on all the marches. Just because you're almost certainly going to lose, does that mean you shouldn't try? If governments think they can do something with absolutely no opposition, it makes the next incremental encroach on civil liberties that much easier. And as for the anti-war movement, we might not have stopped the war on Iraq, but we have stopped the war on Iran....

 

Yeah yeah, they will scrap the ID card scheme, just like New Labour, when they were in opposition, actively campaigned for the decriminalisation of canabis, and said they would put more police on the streets in deprived areas, and troublespots. etc etc etc
I never voted for them because I cannot vote. I lost that right with my failure to pay poll tax under the thatcher government. Of course I didnt want to be caught for that so I never signed any census or voter registration, and since I am now no longer registered to vote and dont want to vote for a load of corrupt overprivaledged halfwits after they criminalised me in my own country for not having enough money at the time, I would not trust any of them. It was only 5 years after Blair took power that they finally issued an act that forgave poll tax dissenters.

Infact when I found out that a liberal party candidate was running the No2Id campaign in our area I told them to, shove their organisation where the sun dont shine, as I would never again be sold out on any issue by some corrupt twat with no concern for people and every concern for his own poularity and bank balance. However I am still against Id cards and will burn mine in protest when they issue it. Infact I doubt sincerely that I will even bother applying for one and therefore will not be able to pay tax either. I simply refuse to kneel before any aristocracy, parliament, dictator, or other authority I dont respect, didnt vote, for, or didnt have a choice in their constitutional arrangements. (didnt even ask me if I wanted a parliamentary democracy, let alone whether I wanted to vote labour or conservative)

So as to the issue of why I dont think you will stop their scheme. It is an absolute fact that it was the conservatives who in every parliament since Ted Heath, had a party debate about Id cards, and it was only by the narrowest of fortunes that thatcher didnt get enough support for them.
It is not a party political agenda, this is the home office civil servants that are pushing for this, police cheifs, MI5, and other home office top rank civil servants !

 

If you don't have an ID Card you won't be able to leave the country. It will be compulsory to get one when applying for a passport. Thankfully I've renewed my passport recently, so should be able to hold out for another nine years....