Satanism?

Says the person who just used "ain't."

 

exactly!

 

i'm glad you like metal and all, but I don't see how thats relevant.

Did you just compare me to god?

Hail Satan.

That's gotta be a sin. Your incoherent analogy aside, god haing thoughts implies an imperfect god. Thinking is the evolution of the mind, and evolution is the acquisition of better material.

God having thoughts is as absurd as god having feelings. Why would a perfect being have feelings?

Why would a perfect being need your affection. Why would it demand your worship on the sabbath?

I wouldn't destory Sodom and gomorrah just because they we're filled with gay people. Does that mean that I'm more compassionate than god?!

So either god's imperfect or he's beyond comprehension.

You could replace 'god' with 'lochness monster' in about everthing you say and it would be just as relevant.

Let's put hyperbole aside.

Even if god is real, he doesn't mean anything. I'm Happy, I have a great life and an invisible figure isn't here to make my descions for me.

I have a nice house, a beautiful girlfriend, a great car, a job I'm finally happy with, and I'm going to be able to afford to go to school for once.

I envy no one. My life is great without god.

I've worked hard for what I have. And if everything I have is gone, I won't turn to anybody, because I believe in myself. I can make all my dreams come true.

And so can you.

We've evolved. We no longer need to promise ourselves that more will come our way if we please some imaginary force.

Living without god's is living in a world without limits. Embrace what we've become and cast your fears of death aside.

I find it hard to believe that the force tht created the universe is that concerned about my flight time. It's something I'll get over, and it's pretty moot in the grand sceme of thing.

We all do what we think is best for us. It's the nature of living.

I can decide whats better for me based on common sense, and if that doesn't work out, I'll ask the people who I can depend on for advice.

A good friend will help you more then god ever could. and all they'd ask for is a friend in return.

Don't compare yourself to me because you didn't belive in god when you were a tyke.

Maybe thing were going bad for you when you we're younger and you we're all melancholy or something. I don't know.

But whatever it is, uour need for god isn't proof to me that theres a god.

I love beer. But it's comparison to religion is irrelavant.

I hope everything we all do will teach us something.

If you're intrested in the truth, stop speaking so ambiguously.

But you can't help but be ambiguous, because, once again, god can't be comprehended.

And once again, this is all academic for me anyway, because, god isn't real.

That was ever so predictable.

But it doesn't matter, I use the phrase 'worship man' because humans have evolved beyond antiquity. We can literally shape the world around us even more so then nature has, and thus I feel we have become more then god intended

And I'm sure you'll respond something like ''fool, thats what god planned''

But for the last time, god is simply how you explain what you can't understand. God is meaningless to us who belive nothing, not even understanding is beyond our grasp.

I've read The Prince, best guide for taking over 16th century europe I've ever read.



...I'm not trying to convince you of anything.


Do whatever you need to do... believe whatever you need to believe to make your life meaningfull to you. If that requires belief in a dead god, thats fine.

In fact, that's the most Satan thing possible. Do whatver you think is right. If You call god Satan, thats fine too. Thats better then satan, because all are ancient symbols from which we must reject to move forward.

God is the antithesis of evolution, so he must be rejected.

Hail Satan's fake ass.

No god, No devil, just we who can be aware of truth. That is the essence of satanism.

Satan taught you about god. God taught you about satan. Satan taught you about jesus zombie. God taught you about god.

It's all stupid, once you realise that you are free.

Hail Man.

 

What comes after this life, heaven or hell, eternity or the ephemeral, won't matter as long as we embrace what we have.

 

Hail Lodui

 

Thanks Nathan.

You seem like a really cool guy... but theres no reason to stick up for me.

A life without god means a world without limits, and thats pretty terrifying.

No punishment is going to the guy who stole you're parking place, and no reward is going to you if you help an old lady across the street.

A world withuot god means that everything you've ever known can come to a screeching halt if a piano flies from the 8th story window when you're walking across the street.

Most people asume a life without god implies a life without meaning, and its hard to convince them otherwise.

It's only when you've found your own meaning, that you've embraced the true meaning of satan.

I don't blame people for rejecting it, because it isn't true. There is no truth.

Theres only what you find for yourself. That is Satanism.

But Satanism is just call ourselves to piss off people anyway right?

 

Being a satanist would require one to believe in God yes? I guess i understand it....its deliberatly disobeying God i guess... If you believe in God, what makes you think man can stand up to God? I know God doesnt intervene much in our daily lives, but the belief is that in the end God will judge accordingly. Arent satanists thinking about the future? Do Satanists not believe in God or do they beleive something else?

 

Of any kinda advice you should be taking, mine is the last.

I'm drunk right now, and I'm just spouting whatever comes to mind.

But that's fine, we should all just follow what we feel as long as it comes from within, whether it's my blashemy or kharakov's zombie worship.

Only problem is ancient zealotism which interferes with evolution, otherwise it's all satan.

I love zombie's so it's all the same to me.

Hail fucking satan dude.

 

For the most part, satanists don't believe in god at all, theres the fun part.

They only call themselves satanists for the simple pleasure of pissing off zealots, which try to inforce their belief upon others.

God is the concept of the supreme, and satanists believe that we are beyond all preconcived notions about supremeacy, if that doesn't make any sense.

Let me know if I'm speaking too metaphorically, because that's the problem with all religion.

Satanists are atheists, I'm just using 'god' to refer to peoples preconcived notions. And that's why the past doesn't matter.

This is all about moving forward. Satanists believe religion is holding us back.

Everyone should just do what they think is best for themselves and what they believe in.

If they call that god, that's ok too.

Satanists are just secular humanists that call themselves otherwise to get a rise out of true belivers.

 

Why do satanists have so much faith in humans? How do you know there arent aliens "out there" who are billions of years ahead of us technologically/intellectually/whathaveyou?

 

Belief in god is ok when you consider god to be something abstract. God is love.

God is friendship, god is what makes us help each other.


It's when you put some sort of face on god, some sort of human charecteristic that god becomes dangerous.

God is just an abstract concept. Whenever you assign anything to that it can become dangerous.


You can fulfill any dreams or hopes you have. thus the concept of god is meaningless to me.

It might not be meaningless to you. And It's fine if you call god the god in the universe. thats totally satan,

It's when you assign god some primative charecteristic that people 5,000 years ago to the voice that created the universe divine, that it becomes tottaly retarded.

Thats why we satantists exist, to try to keep the primate under control.

But there is no god, and no satan, only concepts of how we believe we should behave in order to make a difference to the universe.

We won't make a difference, we'll die and our corpses will nurish the planet on a scale we'll never comprehend.

Thats god.

Hail Satan.

 

Maybe we don't have so much faith in humans.

Maybe we'll end up going crazy and nuking each other to death.

What an honor it would be to be among the last generation of people.

Anything else that would be out there would be more an afirmation of Satan then anything.

Satan's just an abstract concept, it's the beauty of living thats a miracle. No matter what those aliens won't have escaped the cycle of life and death.

In the end, our universe will expand into nothingness, and life will die. Nothing is forever.

It's what we do now that matter, and that is what Satanism is all about.

If there is another civilazation out there that is beyond ours, they should be proud. We should also be proud of ourselves.

I don't have all the answers... probably not any of them. All we know is that we can enjoy what we have right now.

 

I think i like satanism. Instead of subscribing to any of the billions and billions of religions, beliefs, philosophies, you should live life and treat others as you would want to be treated. What is the point of restricting yourself to one of billions of religions when one could easily (and most likely) wrong when you can just live a good life. Kinda like buddhism's one ultimate reality. But this begs the question....how do we know that whatever force governs everything even wants us to live a good life? What if living an evil existance murding and committing crimes is really keeping in tune with the ultimate force governing everything

 

I guess its just about doing what you feel is right deep down

 

We don't, and that creates some problems.

I believe the ultimate force governing the universe is entropy.

Entropy is a thermodynamic concept, not a philosopical one, but nonetheless, Chaos is misunderstood as unorderly, when infact, order is constantly chaging.

So the order of the universe doesn't care if we kill each other.

So why shouldn't we kill each other?

Satanists don't care about a ghost comming back to haunt us. Neither hell or karma concerns us.

But I don't wan't to make others feels sad. How could I? How Could I take take the life of another person just because I was pissed that they stole my lane on the intersection?Or they slept with my girl, or they have3 more cash then me? How Could I?

What governs morality isn't te fear of the unknowable. It's the pain it would cause to other. I don't wan't to hurt other people.

And this is a boxer saying this.

But does it matter in the end? We're going to die in the end. I don't believe I'll be judged any differntly by the voice that created the universe than a child molester would.

I act what I consder morally because I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else.

It doesn't matter in the end. I do what I do because I do what I want to. And I wan't to help others, not murder my way across the nation.

No good, no evil. Just be.

 

Everything is subjective. Even if you choose to do whats wrong.

But there are others in the world who need you to look after them.

We've been given the gift of revelation our destiny of possibility, and so we must look after others so they can have the chance to realise what we have.

That is the essence of rejection of conventional concepts of 'god'.

All we have going for us is chace, so we must take advantage of it, and help out each other as much as possible. Thats why we should worship humanity.

Because humanity has possibility before it.

 

I'm not defending you for the sake of being nice or kind.
I'm doing it because it's the truth.

Heh.

 

Ohh, you mentioned death, and it reminded me of metal.

You have given no reason why my anology is incoherent and switched it out for a red herring.

I'll try and dumb it down for you: the point is you do not need to know every single bit of information about something to know generalities about that something. Some kid said to me once "You can't teach something about the infinite because you do not know all of it". I said "How can a history teacher teach history then?"

To your level of understanding. Sorry, I forgot how stupid I thought the concept of God was at your age. There is another forum I used to frequent called infidels.org when I was a kid. I made a lot of the same exact comments that you do to me to theists back then. Now I know I was wrong, but if someone told me what I am telling you right now I would think they were full of shit.

Awesome, I have never had anything valuable but God.

No shit. I would never have looked for God if it wasn't for how dirt poor I have always been. Of course, God is very interesting on an intellectual level, and I have never really been interested in anything but power, sex, and intellectual companionship.

I don't work hard. I believe hard work is for morons. Then again, I am poor as dirt.

Ohh. I am not out to please God. God is there to please me. Of course, God is a dick sometimes, but I am a dick too, so I understand.

Really? What about physical laws, judicial law, social laws, financial law, etc? There are a lot of limits if you look at the world in a realistic manner.

I don't fear death one bit. Never have, before I knew God or after I knew God. I always thought it was awesome, which goes back to the relevance of me posting those metal band's names- I was a hard core death-head when I was younger.

Lol... the people I said that to when I was your age.

Well, when God calls you will know it. You will start to understand what everything is about. The master of puppets is calling your name...

Hell no.

Actually I compared acquiring a taste for God to acquiring a taste for beer. I didn't enjoy beer as a (young) kid. I also thought the things of God sucked.

You are engaged in sophistry. (Is this less ambiguous?)

I thought you would think so. Lol...

But it isn't. Once you know that, you are on the path to intelligence.

 

First off, you cannot be on the "Christian" path to intelligence if you just said this:

You have go to be the biggest joke on this forum.

 

I don't recall claiming to be on the "Christian" path to intelligence in our conversations.

Ok.

Which argument?

When did I contradict myself?