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humans are very philosophical beings... humans are so smart that we need answers, we need beleifs. we need to think that there is a god to keep us goin in life. but thats just the nature of humans.

just cause we beleive things, or have philosophical ways of seeing things that give us meaning, doesnt mean any of it is real.
to be blunt i beleive everything is in its plainest form, taking lsd just puts a big somtimes wonderfull somtimes terrible shades over ur eyes.
thats the afterglow then it wears off, and u realise where u were.

after my last trip for a period of about a month, i was just a big dreamer.... i wanted to buy a brand new car...i wanted to buy a motorbike, get motorbike lessons, i wanted to do so many stupid things... and now the afterglow has worn off i can see the stuff acid puts over my eyes. it makes reality sparkle doesnt it. have a bad trip and ur afterglow is no sparkle, but its terror...

its all really just vivid wake like dreams, that seem so damn impressionable.

there is a hormone in the brain which gets realesed during traumatic events. its called vasopressin. its what allows u to so clearly remember everything that happens. it pours out while on acid, and also some when on amphetamines... and it gets surpressd on marijuana and alchole.

as for the shinyness and amazment acid gives its funny albert hoffman made another ergot derrivative, called ergoloid masylates. it gives u a clear head and also makes things shiny. but its a smart drug prescribed for people with dementia. i ordered some off the net last week.

i have sort of figured alot of the effects of acid in my opinion.


the one thing that blew me away in psychology class, was this statement :
u can beleive somthing 100%, but that doesnt make it real or true.
if one is so stuck in his/her own beleifs and not open to other things than u are in real denial.

but with all that said, acid has left me with a mind that i beleive has loads of wisdom and common sense. i still feel like i have somthing in my brain over other people. that godly feel. but again thats what makes us so stuborn and sure of ourselves and our own belieifs.

 

Fixed, please stop generalizing outside yourself when you have people all around you telling you the opposite :\

You also seem to think acid just gives people "beliefs", like we all took acid and joined various religions or philosophical movements. I think most of the acid changes are larger than Thought, the thought changes you perceive are just one node of the entire structure of LSD-Changes that have ocurred.

No I don't, and I'm not alone.

And my acid "afterglow" gets stronger and stronger every day. It stopped having anything to do with acid when it finally worked and I didn't need a chemical to get it.

Good morning Starshine, the earth says hello . . . You twinkle above us, we twinkle below.

 

LSD is good for you.

 

If you think that humans have false beliefs and even if they believe somethng they are still wrong, does'nt that make you a hypocrite? Doesn't that make you wrong? LOL

 

is this true?

 

Well Pete, if that is your opinion then you are certainly entitled to it. The only thing I will point out is that the block of writing above is nothing but your beliefs, and with that, I'll simply recommend that maybe you take a look at some of your own advice...

 

That was the same point i made neo.

 

yes but I feel that I made it better.



what now?

 

To Peter Popper:

Don't go spreading your propaganda.

Some of us just sparkle, like it or not...

 

well exactly there just my beleifs... everyone is entitled to their own beleifs. u can belive what u want, these are only my opionions... u people dont have to get all snotty about it lol just cause yous dont like what i see

they are just the outcome of having done acid and seen alot of people go down the acid trail. i do have some idea. its not like iv only done acid a hand full of times... iv done it alot more than that.

its almost like i right stuff in these forums to actually make my beleifs clearer. i dont ever put these things into words, so im sorry but for me this is therapy.

acid shattered everything i beleived in... my beleifs and my personality have all gone through and come out the other side.

 

1: you are quite contradictory. no? getting pissy because we see otherwise...

2: it's about quality, not quantity.

3: speaking of clearer...i repeat: everyone using psychedelics must read this book beforehand, if they haven't already. http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psychedelic_experience/tib1.html

 

give pete a break.. most of the ppl who keep putting him down are old members and we have all said it before, so to keep saying it is more a matter of 'protecting' other readers of the forum who might fall victim of the ideas that peter is spreading. This would only be an issue if the argument seemed plausible. And it does. Realise that what Pete is saying is very honest and perhaps this is why you see contradictions in his words, unlike you rigid peeps round here.

I dont think any absolutes are true always to everyone. But I also think that if psychedelics should teach you something it is that your world is your world and that is that. Pete says strong things about acid caus he really experienced intense shit. Maybe the intense shit that you have experienced has been different. But just learn from pete instead of saying that he is wrong. Stop talking as if he just failed and you are succeeding.

 

as for sanity.. there is no such thing as sane vs insane.. there are lots of sanities in the world. A sanity is any correlation between people's beliefs. If you are sane, it means that you can communicate and talk about the same reality that the people around you are experiencing.
The word insane refers to people who cannot mingle their reality smoothly with the people around them.
Of course, in a cult, insane people to society can seem sane to eachother, because within the cult there are accepted facets of reality that society does not recognise.

When two people are in love, they can act crazy because they start including themselves in their own insulated reality that other people dont necessarily understand.

But lets not jump the gun! This doesnt mean there is no real difference between sanity and insanity!

and here is the interesting catch:

some people's brains actually generate stuff that is totally incompatible with everyone else's reality. Eg seeing a person talking to you that is not actually there.

This is the 'real' insanity.

But how could you ever tell if someone was 'realy' insane or not?

you cant. You can only tell if they seem sane or insane.

And it could be that they just seem insane because you yourself are insane and both or your 'insanities' are different and thus incompatible.
Or it could be that their brain is glitching -unto itself-, and in that case everyone would consider them insane.

Most 'sane' people have the brain of an insane person.. but they have been trained by society to be very predictable. People believe all kids of imaginary shit, but as long as the shit is coordinated by powerful people and is consistent across a population, it will come across clearly as sanity to that population.

So in summary: there is a REAL insanity, but individuals can never determine who is sane or insane. And groups are subject to group-illusions whereby multiple people are deluded in the same way and thus cannot distinguish their delusion from reality...

So stop worrying about sane and insane.. just worry about logic, and reason. Stop accepting things that are not logical, and you cannot fall prey to any insanity other than nihilism or paranoia.. but at least not delusion

I dont actually prescribe this way of being though, I certainly engross my life in many things that are not logical, but it brings me happiness and fulfillment. But at the same time I know I may become clinically insane within a decade or so.

I worried this for teh last 6 years though. I seem to have become more sane in my own mind.. but I am drifting away from society. And it makes me feel worried but also.. society is balls.. most humans are idiots who deserve nothing but a clean swift death.. so fuck modern society... there is nothing worth doing in this life other than changing society or forgetting about it.. but to feed it and drink from its teet is wasting your life

 

good shit bill


we are stuck living in a society, is there is nothing we can do but rebel? but where will that get us... it will give us speeding tickets, it could land us in prison.
wouldnt we be happier just accepting the way society is at the time we have in this life and get on with it. maybe we can manipulate it, and enjoy when we get to master it. instead of pushing it away and saying its all bad. cause u know at the end of the day its all just perspective isnt it.

all im saying in alot of my posts is the other side of things. perhaps.
its things people dont like to hear.... which like bill said, are often things we know are true, but dont want to face the reality of.

 

lol, so we went from you admitting that they were just your beliefs, to you telling us that it's all true?
Come on Pete...Bill isn't God.
The reality is this. Millions of people have benefited tremendously from LSD, it has changed their lives and made them a better person. Millions of other people abused it and got fucked up. That's it.

 

you folks should appreciate your sanity :/

 

Deranged your sig is funny as hell lol

 

i think the only real way lsd benefits people, is by making them free.

when i was first taking lsd i was the most free spirit ever. it was just amazing.

but yeah i guess lsd isnt that bad.
the only thing u have to watch with it, is to not drop out of what ur doing when u take it, and to remain from using it too much.
otherwise its just too strong of a drug for our minds.

as for weather we should take lsd to begin with? i wouldnt recomend it to people, but im not gonna stop people either. dont think im a little nerd that runs around telling people noooooo dont take lsd...lol
people make their own decisions. i gave my gf acid twice last year, she wanted to do it again, im like nah farkk that. i dont want to give me gf acid, nor do i want to do acid again.
but i have some sick drug experiences to talk about when i meet the right person.