Salvia Vs DMT

Salvia is just a weird feeling.
It was my first ever trip(x20). The first time I smoked it I just got some really weird visuals that just didn't add up, and a lot of backwards "momentum". I wasn't moving anywhere, but I just felt like backwards would feel. Fuck knows.
The next day I tried it again and I was ripped completely from reality. It wasn't scary, it wasn't euphoric, it was just bland. But at the same time as being bland, I experienced something so completely fucking different that there is no way of possibly understanding it apart from my whole field of vision was black, but there was the distinct feeling of a being in a tunnel and it was filled with repetition.
I do think though, that salvia can actually be used constructively. I think it's just getting your head round the weirdness.
I've never tried DMT, but that's one thing that I'm happy to wait for.

 

I haven't tried salvia, standardized is the best way to go? And does pipe or water bong make a difference? I've read different reviews and just curioous on everyones thoughts here that have tried salvia!

Thanks

 

Standardized extract is the best way to go, water bongs are superior because they cool off the smoke and mask the taste which some find unpleasant. A torch lighter works more efficiently than a regular lighter (although it's not mandatory) because the active alkaloids that make you trip need to be burned at a high temperature.

 

with the utmost respec, GB i believe you mean Diterpene. salvinorin A has no nitrogen. it is not an alkaloid.

it was your FAQ that i referred to before smoking salvia for the first time. if one can be prepared for such a thing, your FAQ does it. has all the neccessary information to have a safe trip.

if only i hadn't bought 80x extract straight off the batt. i could not obtain standardised due to my location, so i reasoned that the strongest unstandardized would suffice in small amounts.. short story i was wrong, thought i was dying that first time... subsequent times i have firmly had the belief i was a peg sitting on the table in front of me, been shuffled like a deck of cards, been eaten by my bed, encountered strange large-eared creatures in some strange place only to realise they were warped visions of my ceiling fan, etc, etc, etc.

salvia is insanity in a plant.
but it can be used as a beacon to illuminate your subconscious or ignored troubles, it will slap you in the face with them, offering you a chance to do something or sit and be stagnant. well more so the salvia highlights and puts a beam of light on this choice so no longer can it be ignored.
this is how it has worked for me anyways, very usefull sacred stuff i think.

 

Damn, the highest I've tried was x40 extract and that was pointless because I can't even remember being in the trip.
Is there a way to stop the "blackouts"?

 

I meant Salvinorin A but I am incorrect about it being an alkaloid, it is the main hallucinogenic molecule with Salvia.

You could try a lower extract like 20x or 15x standardized.

 

Awesome thanks for the info, I'm going to try it as soon as I. Buy some. Ill repost with the details.:2thumbsup:

 

Well I've had x20 a few times now and I've been in a really shallow trip, and also been put somewhere insane.

I'm just curious as to what the higher strengths are like, besides a black memory. Although the x20 was powerful as hell, nothing about it was anywhere close to being insightful, like oxidationofterra described.

 

AFAIK, Salvia IZ DMT. It's just another source of this very common molecule.

The reason for the confusion has to do, I think, with the fact that it is ingested differently than other forms/sources of DMT.

There are three ways to get the DMT molecules past the blood-brain barrier in sufficient amounts to induce the effects. It is quite clear, when comparing amateur reports of the DNT experience to professional studies, that most users are not achieving a complete dose, and experiencing "mild" side effects of the drug without the full effect.

When ingested properly, salvia and DMT are the same.

The explanation for why people tend to report Saliva as stronger or more scary, is because due to the method of ingestion, its either the full trip or no trip, with almost no chance of a mild experience.

It all boils down to bum rushing the MAOs to get the full dose into the brain. Normally the brain achieves this on its own by disabling the MAOs, allowing the DMT into the brain unhindered. We are never awake when this happens. There are three ways to achieve this manually while conscious.

1) MAO + DMT cocktails, like ayawaska. This way is slow and steady. Massive quantities of DMT are ingested along with the MAO-i to get it into the brain, and over the long course of digestion the chemicals slowly enter the blood and then the brain. This causes delayed effects. The stomach and saliva are destructive, so the vast majority of DMT ingested is lost, only a very tiny fraction makes it to the brain. Still, once the critical amount passes the blood-brain barrier, you're out like a light.

2) injection, intravenously, can be done with just the DMT and no MAO-i, because bypassing the mouth and stomach does two things to enable delivery to the brain: first, it protects the molecule from the defensive barriers in our bodies, leaving only the defensive blood-brain barrier to overcome. Secondly, it is fast, it doesn't require one to wait 45 minutes for digestion to get the DMT into the blood. This way, a massive dose is administered all at once, and in one heartbeat that dose hits the MAOs defending the brain. These MAOs are simply overwhelmed, so many DMT molecules at once, its too many. This you pass out.

3) inhalation of DMT. This is how we do Salvia. Similarly to injection, a massive dose is passed into the blood via the lungs. When done correctly, a massive dose is administered to the blood via the lungs over the course of a handful of heartbeats, rushing the MAOs at the blood-brain barrier, and you pass out. This is not as easy as it sounds, smoking weed or tobacco is far less involved and literally anyone can do that without special knowledge. Smoking Salvia requires knowledge or it doesn't work.

Here's why I think users report more mild, more visual experiences on DMT than Salvia: you're not doing it right. Those are side effects.
If you do read the books and papers of scientist who studied this in the beginning, they experimented with doses lower than what is required to trigger the "deep sleep" which DMT naturally causes. Any dose lower than that threshold would not cause the user to pass out, and they would experience some trip without the sleep. Often they would experience negative affects, like paranoia or discomfort, which they did not when given the full dose. I don't think you guys should keep that up, it's obviously not working right and you're messing with stuff that is hardly well-understood.

I've smoked salvia many times, but it only worked once. The difference was the knowledge of how to smoke it. The first few times a friend provided some extracted crap. Whoop-dee-doo,but no that is wack. The time it worked i was with a shaman, and about ten others. He had a leaf I watched him pluck from a plant and dry in his pocket a few days earlier. He instructed us on how to inhale properly, we each took one, single, solitary drag each and passed the bong, then we each passed out for exactly 15 minutes, and then we each awoke, right on time, in the order in which we had taken the drag. Every single one of us said the same thing when we awoke, "oh shit I didn't do it right, it didn't work [everyone who's already awake giggles] oh shit wait, no fuck seriously I'm tripping. Hard."

When smoking salvia this way, you either get the full dose or nothing. You will pass out or nothing. This is the proper way to do it. Ayawaska is the same drug but a different method, like a joint is to an alice b tokelsss, the effect and dosage are very different. DMT in the commercial forms is none other than a bad idea for recreational experimentation. The studies on the subject seemed to mess up the participants. And in my life I've met plenty of messed up hippies and you have to.

If you want to learn the correct way to smoke salvia, I'll post it.

But the point is that salvia contains DMT, but has a different effect because of how it is ingested. Basically it's fool-proof, whereas DMT extracts or whatevers are foolhardy.

 

The psychedelic molecule in Salvia is Salvinorin A. Salvia and DMT do not come from the same plants, they are different molecules and produce very distinct experiences and have different effects on the brain as well.

 

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Good to hear from you FreshDacre. A few months ago they had a special guest DJ on the radio station I was listening to and the DJ was from GHR which made me think about you, they were spinning some good shit.