Salvia Vs DMT

Well, it isn't intense in the way of dissociation, so I guess the reason they aren't compared in intensity is because it's just a completely different trip.
And I don't think I've ever gone over 12 hits at once. I have munched a few more doses a few hours into a trip many times though, so it gets kinda hard to say what my exact doses were.
I just feel that some of my L trips were more intense than my k holes. It's in a very different way though. Sometimes on k if I'm completely gone there's a feeling almost like fear without actually being afraid. It's very strange, and nothing else has given me anything like it (cept salvia, but that actually is fear). L shows me a lot of issues that may be present in my life or personality, which is probably why I feel some of those were more intense. K can show you some aspects of yourself, but not to the same extent lucy does.

 

Ok I got what you are saying... Yah I do agree LSD can be the most profound in terms of having to face personal issues and views of reality that you can integrate and what not. I have actually found Salvia to do that quite well as well but I dunno I need to start having a notebook by my side when I take salvia because like K I forget aspects of the trip very quickly. Ketamine is just kind of blasting off into weird dimensions and places and having split angles and thoughts on things. There is nothing I've felt I can really integrate into my life with ketamine, but the ability to do a seemingly '360 degree thought process' simultaneously makes it pretty unique.

I haven't experienced that on any other drug really. I've experienced conflicting views and thoughts on LSD and 5 meo dmt but the simultaneous aspect is what separated Ketamine for me.

 

hi, i'm a noob.

is a k-hole something like a 30 minute salvia breakthrough? if it is, how in the world can you stand that?

 

There is certainly some differences but yah I would say it's not unreasonable to compare it to a 45 minute salvia breakthrough. You can stand it because ketamine acts as a anasthetic too and depresses motor functioning so you are essentially 'out of it' like you would be for a surgery to an outside observer and you can't really walk, talk, or move all that much. I have never really felt intense fear or joy in a k hole and it reminds me of how people describe heroin a bit. It's a feeling of like nothingness, i'm just lost in this place and i'm kind of indifferent to it.

I had done K hole doses a few times prior to this but I freaked the first time I dosed someone a k hole dose because she basically looked dead for 45 mins except for some breathing. You should have a sitter somewhere in the vicinity the first time if you decide to try it, like in or right outside the room and it should definitely be someone you trust.

 

that was fucking fantastic.

 

I hate when people generalize a drug as 'garbage' after THEY had a shitty experience. Drugs are subjective, meaning individual experiences vary. A shitty trip for you could be and amazing for another.

 

I agree with you, Its one if not the most mindbending substances(arguably the most) on the planet and its legal in alot of places which is awesome. Salvia also has the rare aspect for me where it becomes increasingly intense the more times you use it. Regardless if its pleasureable or not it truly is an amazing substance.

 

slavia can either be really good or really bad IME..dmt is much more posative

 

A lot of interesting reading in this thread. If some of you more experienced salvia-heads could check out my latest trip report and give me some feedback it'd be greatly appreciated.

 

Having tried both of them officially today I think this analogy is not true at all. Eventhough I've only had 2 DMT experiences now I think 5 meo dmt is more intense than N, N Dmt and I think Salvia is probably even more intense than 5 meo dmt. With that said DMT is far more visually impressive than either of the other two, I knew I was on a drug though which I have completely forgotten on salvia before or even the idea that a 'me' existed and I also didn't feel detached from my body like i've felt on both the other two. Perhaps further exploration of DMT will show me something different but I had my Salvia breakthrough on my 2nd attempt as well as with DMT so that's what I'm going by for now.

 

Keep in mind that like salvia dmt potency varies.
When I've smoked ~300 mg. the concept of me went out the window.

 

Well that's why when you use Salvia, standardized extract is the best way to go because the extract is laid evenly out across all the leaves. Standardized is usually not sold in smoke shops.

 

Hi, I have experience with both of these compounds and what I can say is that, Salvia does not and will not ever even come close to comparing with DMT. You can never be truly ready for the experience dmt will give you. I smoked salvia in my living room and the room started to warp into tunnel vision on a diagonal axis for me and within 10 minutes I was back and fine. DMT on the other hand, took me way beyond salvia. I smoked NN-dmt so the visuals were present. I went to a place made entirely of light but felt trapped, and every atom that made up my physical being was separated and pulled way from each other. Before this manifestation of separation I took my right hand and wiped down the side of my face, I took my left and wiped the other side in amazement of this intense trip, directly after that I realized I had no face anymore. My heart stopped beating and I stopped breathing(in my trip) and my mind was completely cleared of any and absolutely everything. I forgot I was a person. I forgot I was on earth. After this happened I started to get the living room back, only.. my living room was behind millions of layers of the most indescribable patterns and colors in 4 dimensional space. Yes. 4 dimensional space. Slowly it faded away. Although it seemed that many hours had passed since I initially smoked the dmt. Only 15 minutes had passed. I hope this describes what your looking to hear, but this is the best I can do. It is very hard to describe the experience I had and words aren't even enough. I don't feel satisfied with this summary but enjoy if you will.

 

I respect your opinion HauLo but my opinion is that DMT and salvia are perfectly respectable psycedelics in their own special way. DMT is just as intense as salvia, in a more, uplifting, not as "negative" way than salvia is. But thats a matter of opinion. Salvia is just as intense imo, if not more, but i love them both

 

Salvia is like being ground into the earth by some mechanical force, it is very intense, and not necessarily pleasant, it can be confusing and frightening. DMT is like being shot through a wonderful kaleidoscopic tunnel of awesome that leaves you confused, yet euphoric for some time after touching back down on earth. If I had a choice of the 2, I would go for DMT every time, no question.

 

I always wonder at these experiences people have, and how they can all be so different.
I've had DMT be a very simple experience with little to no nervous energy during breakthrough, and I've had it be so absolutely bizarre and terrifying that no other psychedelic I've encountered comes even remotely close to.
It depends on so many variables that it becomes almost impossible to determine wether or not a psychedelic can be considered as positive or negative. All of them can easily be anything!

 

I've smoked them both about 20 times now, I pretty much stand by my original assertions, I think DMT can be as intense as Salvia but overall I think Salvia is more intense by quite a bit, without question more potent with the extracts.

This is a very good summary, I view Salvia as "darker" and twisted, not necessarily negative though and DMT is more "lighter" and playful.

 

Some DMT experiences written here appear to be almost similar to my Salvia breakthroughs. Difference being DMT appears to be a more pleasurable / desensitized way of going about your trip. I'm curious to try DMT for that reason as Salvia trips can be uncomfortable to say the least. I now have much respect for Salvia and will be using again when the time is right.

Maybe someone can answer for me, do you still move, talk, shout etc on DMT like you can on Salvia? My first Salvia breakthrough was in full darkness at home in bed alone. I'm pretty sure I was shouting like crazy when I dematerialized into a concept far away from my own imagination. Can only imagine what the neighbours heard

 

The people i've seen look like they are sleeping on a DMT breakthrough but occasionally people will make weird facial expressions, maybe roll over on their side. I've never seen anyone on DMT get that flight or fight reaction that is common with Salvia where they try to get up and walk around.

 

Definitely sounds more peaceful than Salvia!

That same first breakthrough had me somehow navigate through 3 rooms trying to escape from dematerializing. Finally arrived back in consensus reality in what felt like giving birth to reality from my brain. Salvia is some wild mystical shit!