Safer WITH, or WITHOUT, Gun Control? USA -vs- UK

they offer master studies, but i dont think in the same way as a university, where studies lead straight to the master degree. colleges may offer some master subjects, but you need a bachelor degree or equivalent to start them. basically they allow you to study to a master degree once you have finished your college carreer. obviously you can also go to university after college to start master study. however, this doesnt make colleges to universitys.

 

Under most circumstances though you can't go straight into a master's degree, you need a bachelor's at first. Often times people will get their master's at a different school then where they got their bachelors, and even if they don't, the programs for bachelors and master's at the same school are pretty completely separated and requires obtaining a bachelor's degree first before you can even apply to it.

 

hmmmm, thats exactly what i wrote. my point still is that a college isnt an university.

 

College is university though, a bachelor's degree from any school with the word university in it is still going to say "University of *****" The program for masters is different but at the same time it's still the same, same buildings, same teachers, ect, just different requirements. There really is no difference anymore as most colleges that aren't community or art based offer master degrees too. There may have been a time where there was more of a difference but in the 21st century in America they've have morphed together and the terms are completley interchangeable.

 

For example I can provide this, in New Haven there's 6 colleges

Yale University
Albertus Magnus College
Quinnipiac University
University of New Haven
Southern Connecticut State University
Gateway Community Colelge

I listed them in that order for a reason how good their degrees are. Now while this can change depending on subject, i.e. a teaching degree from Southern woudl be worth more then one from UNH, and a forensic science one from UNH could be near on par with a one from Yale for how good their program is, despite the name college as it does not offer a masters in anything, since most people do in fact not have their masters, a degree from Albertus would be worth it's weight more then any of the "Univesities"

 

Also, to put this thread back on topic

Ummmmm.......

Guns?

 

how about guns at college, here in MA its not allowed even if you have a weapons permit to carry concealed, Im not sure about the rest of the country. What do you guys think of this?

 

why would you take a gun to college? incase you don't like what is gettin taught?

In Britian .. you have to pay to go to college(either when the course starts or when it finishes) sooo ... why would you take a gun to something you have to pay for? would you consider taking a gun to disneyland?

I can understand people who go to high-school wanting to take a gun to show off .. they are young and dumb .... but i would have thought people who decided to go onto college would have the common understanding that they go to college to get a education .. not to blow up some hommmies.

 

well there was Virginia tech, one armed person could have stopped that but since guns on campus aren't really allowed many died.

 

Or every other school shooting too. Depends on how you look at it, on one hand you can view it as if 1/2 the school is walking around with a gun god knows what kind of mayhem that could cause. On the other hand most people will not do anything stupid or violent if they know they'd be shot down in a second. All school shooters know when they go in armed to the teeth there is going to be no one to oppose them.

 

as i have said a few times bevore, also universitys can offer colleges. additionally, on some universitys their different departements are called "colleges". however, save for the last case: if you go to a college, you attend to a tertiary education that lasts 4 years and ends with a bachelor (or equivalent) finishing degree. wether some need 5 years or 2 years for whatever reasons is irrelevant. as i also have said bevore, there are universitys that offer colleges and college grade education, also with the vanilla 4 years and bachelor or equivalent degree. a college may offer some master studies, but all of them NEED A BACHELOR DEGREE (or equivalent) to start with, while universitys offer studies that lead straight to the master degree. also, you cant make a doctor- degree at colleges.

so you are happliy welcome to tell yourself you went to university - something i dont even doubt, at least the physical part of it. however, if you "went to university" and you have NOT graduated with a master, and if you have NOT aborted your studies there, but you have graduated and finished with a bachelor (or equivalent), then you have attended to a college, not an university.

 

college is a general term


I go to the University of Dartmouth, I can stop at my bachelors like most do, or I can go all the way to PHD, its still "college" I think the word might be more literal in your culture. Here its a toss around word term.

 

in this case "college" stands for a departement of a university and its not a "collgege school" as such. and culture.... what "culture" do you think we have in our country? different to yours? its all western cultures; beside that, actually over the last few years our universitys started to change their systems to more international likings; so, our "magister" is now a "master", we didnt have a bachelor but "diplom" (which didnt count as a academic title, hence the relatively low academic rate). maybe you know the degree "dipl. ing." (diplom ingeneur), thats a titel i was told other countrys are adapting from us.

if you COULD go until the master degree without inscribing again, then you have visited a university, not a "college school". so, in a college school you can not do a konsekutive master study.

 

It is all western culture, but there are vast differences in both our education and government systems. I'm not sure if it's the same in Austria, but we had a foreign exchange student from Germany once in high school, and he said how in high school in Germany starting in high school people already begin their study specific programs in the last 2 years of high school on whether they will go to college, trade school, or into work. That concept is entirely foreign here, high school till the end is all general education, then just about everyone goes to college, and even in college generally the first 1-2 years is still general education.

And again, most colleges in the US would in fact be called Universities in the fact they offer masters. But you really can't just continue, even if it's at the same school, because in general your school probably won't offer the masters you want and you'll have to go to a different one to get it.

 

well, i am not from germany, but as far as i know they dont have high schools. you dont remember a bit more specific details?

 

This is actually what I was trying to say, apparently my memory of what he said was way off(though in my defense it was 7 years ago and a lot of marijuana has come up in between haha)

While in the US there would be nothing like that, you just spend grades 9-12 in "High school" but high school is nothing specific, it's just more general education just at a higher level.

 

High school basically would be the equivalent of an "AHS" (Allgemein Höherbildende Schule), which means "Gymnasium" which finishs with the "Abitur" (which is needed for attending to further education institutions such as "Fachhochschulen", "Hochschulen"; "Kollegs" (yes, there are actually "Collegs" in germany and austria); and Universitys (however, there is always the option of making a "Studiumberechtigungsprüfung" to be allowed for higher education).

thats the "gymnasium" in germany and austria; however, in austria you can get the "matura" (the equivalent of "abitur") in more specialised schools such as the HAK (trade school), HASCH (dont know how to translate) or BORG (another form of gymnasium for those from hauptschulen); those schools all offer a very broad general education with some specialised subjects.

after that, you can go to Collegs, Hochschulen, Fachhochschulen and universitys. the first three all offer 4 year study plans (ofc. with the ECDS credits or what they are called - everyone here knows them, no one really understands them) that finish with a bachelor or equivalent degree. after that, it is possible to attend to master studies, some of those are often offered at kollegs and hochschulen. alternative it is also possible to do a master at university - with a non-komulative subject. and yes, there are college departements situated on the universitys - so its actually possible to study at the university without actually attending to it.

tbh., that doesnt sound that different from your college you describe. what bugs me is that you want to tell me that collegs= university.

 

Gun control is right up there with abortion rights and being against gay marriage. Or maybe the illegals are stealing your jobs. It's a bait and switch simple as that...and most of you fell for it. Hope you see your premimiums come down but I wouldn't hold my breath. Remember Enron...they promised us more for less, what did they deliver?

 

But guns are sexy...no one is going to take my gun!

 

Someone actually talking about guns... That's a shock! :O