Russia and U.S suspends the Cold War-era Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty

Russia vowed Saturday to develop "new types of weapons" as it suspended a Cold War-era nuclear missile treaty with the United States. This came about after the United States said it would withdraw from the arms control pact, accusing Moscow of violations.


Is an arms race between US and Russia necessary?

Russia suspends nuclear missile treaty in tit-for-tat with US

If suppose the leadership of Russia and U.S. decide to have a go at each other, can it be done on Mars or Saturn instead of earth, where such a nuclear conflict will inevitably affect other non-participating nations !

Also why do we have such poor international leadership and myopic leaders even now, who are more focused on the psychological reality of man-made national boundaries around them, instead of the existential reality !

What may have brought about this poverty in quality leadership !

 

To be fair to the US, the international community basically agrees that Russia is already violating the treaty.

That said, the US is just using this as an excuse to get out of it because they want to be able to develop these weapons to match China, since China is not a signatory to this treaty.

 

Could be an out for the US and Russia. Russia is the most immediate beneficiary and has the greatest need since they essentially border China. Technology is gradually removing the border issues as missiles become orbital instead of just ballistic.

I'm sure we already have missiles and guns in the sky. If we have another great war, it will probably be a smokescreen for mass population disposal.

 

Two people standing waist deep in gasoline competing to see who can have the most matches. I thought the USA was past the Cold War.

 

Always need an enemy and Americans aren’t buying the war on terror anymore. So Russia it is, I guess.

 

I doubt that there will be an arms race between the US and Russia. If it does happen, the US will win it. We can afford to deploy a lot more warheads than Russia can afford to deploy.

These new ground launched cruise missiles will be interesting if we sell (or give) large numbers of conventional versions to Japan.

That would give China second thoughts about bombing Japan if war breaks out. And that would make China think twice about starting a war in the first place.

 

What about a Cold War with the French?

Everyone hates them

 

You do realize that there is no winner or runner-up in a thermonuclear war !

 

Of course there would be a winner

 

Just on nuclear war.

There is something called nuclear fracticide.

The mathematics of the effects of detonation of missiles on other missiles.

The initial blast, the emp pulse, and the dust cloud would all render a certain percentage of following missiles useless.

Its a problem that seems too complex for anyone to be able to work out

A quick check, according to uk telegraph, theres an equivalence of 7000 megatons worth of nuclear weapons in service in the world today.

By comparison, the meteor near Chicxulub that MAY have killed all the dinosaurs but didnt kill all the mammals was equivalent to 70 million megatons

The Toba volcano, 74000 years ago was the equivalence of 20 million megatons and that didnt lead to any extinctions in the long run.

There would be lots of death and destruction will a nuclear war, but youd be lucky if even a third of the weapons reach their targets, wouldnt even come close to causing humans to be extinct, wouldnt even be able to kill the majority of humans

 

Then our rivals better not start a nuclear war with us, because they'll be among the losers if they do.

 

Russia sucks. I'd suspend all treaties with them until they come to their senses.

 

You mean they will be losers alongside you as well.

 

As long as we completely annihilate the enemy, the rest isn't important.

 

What's going on, now?

 

The US withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and is going to start building ground launched cruise missiles again.

I know of no plans to sell (or give) conventional versions of the missiles to Japan. But if we did so, that would greatly complicate Chinese war plans.

 

This statement deserves to be highlighted--as an illustration of how extreme your views are and why no one should take them seriously. In other words, you're saying no matter if we're all dead as long as we get the enemy--the Golden Rule in reverse!

 

Basic acceptance of reality is hardly an extreme view. What do you think all those nuclear missiles are for?