Roseanne

America is a capatilist society. Racists will see they can not make money and be racist. It's a fine punishment for me. You have the free speech to say it but society will judge you. What is the solution to allow it when you don't agree?

 

You think penalizing what people call racist remarks will change anyone's thoughts? I mean, really?

 

They'll never get it. They're too obsessed with race and skin color to figure out that race probably never even crossed Roseanne's mind.

 

I know. It's like dealing with a bunch of kids.

 

They don't have to change and I don't expect it to but a free market can dictate it's behavior. Any good conservative will see that is racism if is a problem the market will correct it. If you want to have a company where black people are apes start it and see what kind of money you make. There is no law against calling someone a ****** besides the laws of manners.

So where is the penalty? Any job has a HR department and expectations of you. You don't like it do not work there. Sometimes you can't have long hair sometimes your boss is black and does not like being an ape like Rosanne.

How important is that money compared to your identity as a person? The American way leaves that up to you and this whole situation has showed it's important to some people to use racial slurs to black people.

 

If someone uses their right to free speech, and they say something like, "I don't like niggers," the penalty for that is that other people have the right to use their free speech to call that person an idiot or racist. But that's it.

 

Ummm, not quite sure what you're trying to say but...

The reality is that corporations pander to popular belief, so they can be popular and maximize profits. Popular belief does not have to be RIGHT or LOGICAL, it just has to be popular. "Michael Brown the innocent victim", "Roseanne Barr the horrible racist", "lets forget our troubles with some funny orangutan Trump pictures and refreshing Coca Cola". And the celebrities and the news reporters look in the cameras... and regurgitate what they believe is safe, politically correct, popular belief. To keep their jobs and remain popular celebrities. "Oh that comment was so terrible I can't even eat. Yes, yes, ABC did the right thing. My ABC bosses, who are analyzing every word out of my mouth, always do the right thing"...

 

A part of the public. Another part of the public is concerned it may affect freedom of speech

And, it CAN be a good thing. But it can also be taken too far. Like, when a joke involving race, etnicity or even a historical atrocity pertaining to race or etnicity (like many jewish comedians regularly do for example) gets by default equated with racist discrimination merely because it both involves race, thus can be called racist. I am reminded of the Simpsons/Apu thread here. Some people will forever see a problem with Apu. I would advice them to make more use of discernment. Just because people may take offense of a joke or comedic character doesn't mean such jokes should get banned or shunned. If enough try to do this they really do not get their desired effect. It gets, very understandable, a counterreaction from people who are able to make these discernments between an edgy joke involving race/etnicity/cultural stereotypes and actual discrimination. Sure, plenty of actual racists will join that counterreaction too for reasons that suit just them but that doesn't mean the crude joke loving people are wrong here.

 

Except when they can openly burn down a city if they decide they are upset by it

 

Yeah, I know. That's why I said it's like dealing with a bunch of kids.

 

Thats because they dont understand what freedom of speech actually is

 

So, exactly what is protected under the right of free speech?

 

She didn't use their platform. She used Twitter. However ABC has the right to fire as far as I'm concerned. Freedom of Speech won't allow you to be arrested because of the Constitution.

 

Yeah, I get that. But I ask myself what harm was done. Roseanne was insulting. But that's a reflection on her, not the woman she insulted.

 

Don't disagree. Perhaps it will be at ABC's peril.

 

Somehow this got formatted wrong, but I hope that the message is clear.