Ron Pauls view on Drugs

yep

 

Do people still seriously think that we're going to get "invaded" by terrorists? Like they have an invasion force lurking off the coast, waiting for a more isolationist foreign policy, and when it comes it will be like D-Day with landing craft and all.

PS) Ron Paul sorta wants to take away the terrorist's reasons to attack us. Like giving shitloads of money/weapons to Isreal.

 

lmao @ the idea of terrorists invading our country. That's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard (i've heard it before), and I've heard a lot of dumb shit by supposed "patriotic americans", like how the troops fighting over there to protect our freedom, equally silly shit.

I think the US would get enslaved by martians first.

 

yeah Ron Paul all the way

 

What does it matter anyway? The good God fearing Christians of America run the country, didn't you know? They always get their way.

 

imagine terrorists attacking the most heavily armed populous on the planet.
a lot of people have been brainwashed to think that we need protection from terrorists but what's going on is a nation that has decided it wants economic dominion over every other nation, due mainly to corporate interests. the Federal government now works for the corporations and in a many ways, including taxes and inflation, we're working for them too. what is needed is for the gov't fullfill it's original mandate of protecting the people not pandering to corporate interests.

VOTE RON PAUL!!!

 

Actually, if you read about where Ron Paul stands on a lot of other issues (besides the drugs) in the OP's link, he seems to pander to the Energy and Firearms industries quite a bit. He's all for expanding drilling in wildlife refuges and laughs at the Kyoto protocol.

The NRA seems to fully endorse him. Also, he would like to 'defund' Planned Parenthood. How the hell is that protecting Americans? Ron Paul is an extreme right wing prick with no real understanding of how devastating his policies would be in urban areas in America. The fact that he has enchanted so many people on these boards is sad.

He talks about how we should stop giving money to Israel (sounds great!) but then goes on to say that we should stop giving money to the Palestinians too and that Israel should not be required to give up any land for peace. Republican scum.

If anyone really supports his platform, go ahead, waste your vote. Then, when he loses, move the fuck away from the sensible Americans and go start a fucking militia up in the hills somewhere and drill for oil and cyanide leach-mine to your heart's content, destroying the land and not paying taxes. Eventually the feds will show up and set you straight though. I look forward to reading about your demise in the papers. Republican trash.

 

that is precisely what it is... US isn't a democracy, it's a Corporate Republic, in the truest sense of the term. Peoples' voices don't account for much in the grand scheme, it's all an illusion. Heads of corporate boards need to stand trial fro global treason, but we know it won't happen. Banks run the show, fueled by corporate funding...ever since businesses (initially,the railroad industry ) gained the right to individual legal representation.

terrorists? lol they're "freedom fighters". hell, in the US, if you try to fight for your rights the way real patriots did, you're a terrorist. it's become a catch-all term for anyone who opposes the status-quo.

 

well, that's the problem with the bipartisan system. you may have candidates with some good ideas...but the lobbyist groups who funded their campaigns will inevitably be waiting with their hands out once their candidate is in office. candidates may make promises to the people, but ultimately, they have to answer to the businesses that got them the position of power.
it's the sad truth that few want to accept. Ideally, Independents would change the way the governmental process works, but like I said, this is a corporate republic. real democracy was a pipe dream that died with the dawn of the american industrial revolution.

 

Income tax is unconstitutional as well as the IRS. And with poor people starving, I feel there shouldn't be handouts, you work for yourself and try to survive, as with the natural laws of life. Ron Paul is a Republican libertarian which equals a man believing in freedom and independence.. But, He is a politician and they are always crooked, but maybe with his standing he could be.. less crooked?

 

Guys like Paul and Obama say they don't accept lobbyist contributions, which seems to be validated by receipts. I hope they're telling the truth, cause Bush Jr. accepted huge sums of money that were broken up into small donations from guys like Ken Lay of Enron. So at least in theory, Paul or Obama wouldn't have to answer to prominent financial benefactors, just the american people, to whom campaign promises were made. what I just typed was basically a non-statement

 

I somehow find that very hard to believe. even my old fav, Ralph Nader, accepted business contributions. You can't really win the presidency on the peoples' votes alone, those days are long gone.

I like some of Paul's ideas. I like some of Obama's ideas. It looks like Paul won't get the presidency, and if obama does, let's see how many of his promises he keeps...because it will be painfully obvious if he starts fulfilling agendas that aren't in the peoples' best interest.

 

Precisely. That's exactly why if the government stops regulating land use and punishing corporations that pollute, these corporations will destroy what's left of our environment.

There are countless examples of the environmental devastation that American mining companies have caused overseas when they've been unrestrained by 'oppressive' environmental policies like those that exist in America. These corporations rape the land, steal the resources without allowing the local populations to benefit, and then bring the money back to America and leave the mess for the locals to clean up.

What motivation will mining companies have to take care of the environment in America if they're not forced to do so by the US government? Under a Ron Paul administration, you'd likely find the answer out pretty quickly, and I bet even the most hard core right wing socially apathetic* extremists on here (namely the folks supporting Ron Paul for president) will not like the results.

*by socially apathetic, I mean that as a citizen, you should feel morally obligated to do what you can to help out those who are less fortunate than you. Many government programs adress this moral obligation. These same programs would suffer under a Libertarian Republican president.

 

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Being libertarian does not mean that you're socially apathetic, far from it. What it means is that the government won't be taking care of the people the way it does now. A hundred years ago we didn't have all these programs and people weren't any worse of than they are today. A libertarian can just as easily donate money to whatever charitable organization as anyone else.
The air, water and land are resouces that all of us hold in trust for future generations and Ron Paul has said that these resources can not be squandered by corporations as is happening today. A lot of people think that if Ron Paul is elected that corporations will take over and you couldn't be more wrong. He's for individual rights and not corporate rights. It's not going to happen overnight that's for sure and it's going to require a concerted effort from the citizens. I see that as the weak point as there don't seem to be enough people willing to fight. Way too many just want to say that it can't happen. If this was the prevalent attitude of the people on this continent 233 years ago we'd still be under British rule.

 

I absolutely agree with you that apathy is a huge problem facing America today and is what is preventing the type of reform that will benefit us and future generations (I think that was your point towards the end of your post). That's what makes me wonder, if the government does not take care of the needy people, who will? Can you really count on a handful of people who say that 'the government shouldn't be taking care of people like they do now,' to actually donate to charities to help these people out?

America can afford socialized health care, but the rich are too greedy to take care of their needy compatriots.

Ron Paul supports expanded drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge and more off shore drilling. He's not considering the environment or future generations. We are not living 100 years ago, and nostalgia for that period in American history is really pointless. America has evolved and the only people who stand to benefit from Libertarian policies are corporations, militiamen, and rich land owners.

Do you really not care about the urban poor? What the hell are they supposed to do? Black Americans in inner cities are still dealing with the crises that stemmed from slavery and segregation. These people are Americans and they are entitled to a government that will help solve the problems of crime, addiction, and substandard, unaffordable, or nonexistant health care in their neighborhoods.

Individual states already have a lot of autonomy to legislate what suits their specific needs. I just don't get why so many people are leaning so far to the Right these days. I think Bush and the Neocons really managed to pull the mainstream from the center to the right, and we're seeing this now in this emerging demographic of fired up Ron Paul supporters who think that there's something in it for them. Trust me, there's nothing in it for you.

 

it's nice to be idealistic, but it's more practical to be realistic...like I said, I like some of Ron Paul's ideas, but a "libertarian Republican" raises red flags in the back of my mind. it's sort of an oxymoron. The Republican party is the Grand Ol' Party, championed by businesses and rich people investing in businesses. It's The State's party. I wouldn't assume that Ron Paul isn't going to fulfill corporate agendas (hell, corporations have heavy influence on both parties)

I'm for revolution, and I agree, it's not going to come right away...but I also honestly don't think it's going to come from either party. If I had to pick between the lesser of two evils, I'd pick the candidate from "the people's party", even though it's more of a corporate party nowadays. I'm really an Independent, and I'd vote Green, if they had a shot.

 

yeah, Republicans and Democrats are really the same party with minor differences. I mean look how far our "Democratic" congress has gotten us with personal liberties and the War in Iraq.

 

you know what, now that I think about it, Ron Paul is probably more practical than Obama; but because he's in the Republican party, he has to answer to some swarthy characters.
in retrospect, Bush made a lot of bad decisions he probably didn't want to make, but he wasn't alone in those decisions. (the guy has a ranch home with a recycling irrigation system and solar panels, for crying out loud) but, it's his own fault for getting neck-deep in the oil business. If Bush would've kept to his original promises, making them his top priorities, he probably would've been whacked.

likewise..if Ron Paul tried to initiate revolution against the corporate best interests, I think he would more-than-likely be assassinated.

ssoo...hmm..."do I want the puppet on the left, or do I want the puppet on the right?"

 

You are all making really good points. While I'd support the Democratic candidates as the slightly lesser of the two evils, I still don't think it would do much good. What's important is that folks like yourselves are really thinking about the issues and willing to engage in a constructive dialogue about it. Keep it up, thank you for thinking and taking the time to discuss these important issues!

Perhaps I shouldn't even bother to find a way to write in my vote from overseas because I honestly don't really like or support any of the candidates. It's looking like either Clinton or Obama will get it, mostly because they're Democrats and have no real competition except between themselves. They're both too moderate to entice my interest though. Any suggestions?