Ron Paul

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gardener, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Are you crazy?

    I don't want a REPUBLICAN in office.

    Dennis Kucinich is who should be elected, in my opinion.
     
  2. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Ron Paul is a real stretch.
     
  3. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    Point is to eliminate the mechanisms that put those people in the position to BE less fortunate.

    There was once a time when you could graduate highschool, get a decent job, and live a decent life... because inflation was under control/didn't exist and the dollar was actually worth something.

    Look at the big BIG picture, not "these people need our money because they are poor".

    And no, I will not be asking big brother to hold my hand, I will sooner live on the street.
     
  4. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    agreed! Kucinich is the best choice.
     
  5. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    I know its fun, but you are out for blood against a man fighting the good fight... so that we may both benefit.

    You offer statements with no proof, perhaps its time to change your views instead of fighting to prove what doesn't work.
     
  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    2 or 3 generations living off the system is not what i call a safety net.
     
  7. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    No, he wants the federal government to tell you what to do.

    The state is much more answerable to the people in that state than the federal government is answerable to the people in any particular state. One state may *entirely* agree on something, but because 49 others disagree, it has no choice... thats just flat out not right, thats not liberty.

    *YOU* control more on a state level than *YOU* control on the federal level... you must understand that much.
     
  8. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    not everybody had such a great experience in the 1950's ya know. :rolleyes:
     
  9. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    This is my point...

    And trust me, the next generation has zero intentions of changing... if anything they are growing up entirely in such a system, where its entirely acceptable to take money for nothing... they honestly believe they are *entitled* to this, and readily take advantage of it.

    I can't blame them, they living WITHIN the system. Change the system, put us all in a better situation... if you don't want to work for a living or demand what you are "owed" to do nothing... live on the street.

    What I *can* say is that the next generation won't believe they are owed anything, they will work for it just like everyone else *must*.

    Nobody needs a safety net... they need to keep the money they make, and they need that money to be worth something.
     
  10. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    well there will always be naysayers and pessimists.

    vote your conscience lady,libertine. thats about all i can say.
     
  11. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    Whats your point? Anyone can put forth the effort if need be, especially when the dollar is worth something and inflation is taken care of... anyone who wants to work can work, it just takes persistence.

    Once again, look at the big picture... we don't need to subsidize poverty while lowering the value of the dollar and bringing more people into poverty... this is what is happening right now, do you wish to continue this?

    As a matter of fact, right at this moment I'm broke, unemployed, and late on every bill... do you want to give me 5% of everyone in your families check so I can get back on my feet? Does that not offer an *incentive* for me to remain poor and work the system?

    Big picture...
     
  12. BraveSirRubin

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    I was thinking that I'd read up on some politics today... for the sake of entertainment.

    But then I noticed that practically every thread in this forum is the same. Doesn't that constitute as spam?

    You dislike Ron Paul... that's pretty groovy dude. I don't see why you feel like posting that fact a million times.

    You might be an advocate for Kucinich, which is also kinda jive and shit... but he won't win. Who, out of the candidates that actually MATTER, do you propose that people should vote for?
     
  13. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    That is *not* the mentality to have... anyone can support anyone they wish... that is the American way.

    Sellin out because you knew the guy you were voting for wouldn't win is how we got into this 2 party mess in the first place.
     
  14. BraveSirRubin

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    You underestimate how corrupt this system is.

    It's as simple as that.
     
  15. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    NO!

    That is NOT how to handle things.

    This is how we get to the point where we are choosing between the lesser of 2 evils... too many people adopted the defeatist attitude!

    I WILL NOT hand my vote to someone who doesn't deserve it because a large group of people will vote for him... how is being a defeatist getting us anywhere?????

    PROGRESS, this is how Ron Paul got the following he has... he raised a tremendous amount of $ while being the red haired step child of the press... that is VERY significant.

    Stand up for YOUR rights, vote for Ron Paul.
     
  16. crankyelbow

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    Ron Paul is not held within the lines his party members draw... he is held within the lines drawn by the republican party as it was intended to be.

    If you vote solely because of party affilitiation you have done the entire country a disservice.
     
  17. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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  18. crankyelbow

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    Does this mean I should shutup and take it?

    No, I will not... I will vote for freedom and I will inform others about Dr Paul's message of freedom.

    Perhaps if you adopted the same mentality we could oust such corruption together?
     
  19. BraveSirRubin

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    I really don't mind Ron Paul.

    If I was American and had the motivation to go and vote I'd probably vote for him. Even though I also doubt that he'll win...

    The sad thing about modern politics is that you have to vote for the candidate who will do the least bad things... not for the candidate that will do the most good things.
     
  20. crankyelbow

    crankyelbow Makes Music

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    Ron Paul will not do bad, he will hand the power to the people.

    Didn't know you weren't American ;)

    Point is, this country can't continue to vote for who "will win"... this isn't a bet for who will win, you don't get anything but a corrupt asshole that bought you out if you play into that.

    Ron Paul has a great opportunity to win, his following can *only* grow, whereas every other candidate may gain or lose support, Ron Paul can only continue to gain.
     

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