Ron Paul

You're kinda missing my point though.

My problem is not with hope.

My problem is with people who are shouting about helping and changing humanity instead of actually going out there and trying to be that change.

It's very sad that you just expect some over-idealised leader to suddenly make everything perfect.


Get out of the house and go feed some starving children if you care so much.

 

Well, I for one do a lot to help people, and I'm not overidealizing Ron Paul or anyone else. I don't think he's perfect, and I don't agree with every one of his positions. But the thing about him is that he's authentic and he's a legitimately well-meaning person that isn't cut out of the same cloth that most other politicians are.


Which starving children should we feed, the ones in Iraq? If Ron Paul had been president, that country wouldn't have been invaded in the first place, and those people wouldn't be suffering because of us. The thing is that, although we may be well-meaning and want to help people, our government is doing tons of things to mess up people's lives around the world and here at home too, and it's the leadership at the top that's causing that to happen. Until that leadership changes, the government is going to continue to be the problem rather than the solution.

 

Well... I wasn't talking about you. You just popped out of nowhere! I'm talking about these internet political prophets.

I don't care too much about the children in Iraq as long as there are children on the street in America. Go and take a bum out for dinner, start a community food drive, and so on... see what I'm saying?

You cannot say such things as "If we would have elected blah blah blah this and this wouldn't happen"... those are speculations... and the reality is that Bush WAS elected and that you must deal with the facts.

 

Oh, no, I wasn't dissing you at all.. only complimenting crankyelbow. I believe in love, I believe in helping the less fortunate, I believe in trying to make things right for others on an individual level. I would do so much to help someone. I know what you're saying and you definitely have a point. My point is that you can only get so far as an individual and, if nothing else, it's best to have hope that the good in humankind will prevail over everything shitty about this world.

I don't expect one person to lead this country out of what it's become, I'm just psyched because seeing all the people who agree with what Mr. Paul says, I see a glimmer of hope for tommorow's America.

 

Well, I didn't just pop out of nowhere...I've been around awhile....and I do things like you're talking about to help people that need help. But I don't just care about people here in America-I care about people everywhere. And the truth is that our government is causing a lot more suffering than it's alleviating, here and abroad, and until the leadership changes, that's going to continue.

The way we can deal with the fact that Bush got elected is to get his type out of the White House and put someone in there that's honest and isn't interested in destroying lives and nations for profit, and under the guise of morality.

I realize that all this debate about what would happen if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich became president is rather futile, since neither one has much of a chance at all of winning-but the thing that gives me hope is that at least there are a lot of people that really care enough to even talk about these issues and get involved.

 

It is nice to see people agreeing with Ron Paul, but sadly it's a miniscule percentage of the population. I think that these people have always existed... it's nothing new. Ron is pretty damn Libertarian, and there are plenty of Libertarians out there. They have always been there... I'm honestly not suprised by all of his support, it's nothing new.

And yet again, it's beautiful to believe in the good of mankind... but the reality is that mankind is not good. We have millions of years of continous destruction to prove it. As I said, single individuals can be truly "good", but whenever you group people... hate takes over.

Hell, even look at all the charity organizations in existence right now. They seem "good", but even those groups which are theoretically composed of "good" individuals take more of the donations to finance themselves and pay their high earning executives than they actually give to their cause.

You just poppppppped up in this conversation, and as I said... I wasn't talking about you.

You're giving Bush too much credit. Just like you're giving good ol' Ron too much credits. Both are just public figures and neither of them actually controls anything.

...and sure, even I agree with Ron Paul more than with any other candidate other than Kucinich... but, yet again... there are a million better causes out there than lobbying for a candidate who has no chance of winning.

 

Skip, I'm surprised. You honestly think it's possible to pull the country out of a consumerist hole, just by electing an official? Shame on YOU man.

Move to North East Kingdom Vermont.

No matter who is elected we're just waiting out the inevitable. Even if Dennis is elected, he'll be fucking assassinated, the same goes for Ron Paul unfortunately. Business is too big. Coca Cola Co assassinates whistle blowers for workers rights, and they only sell fucking soda! What do you think big pharma is prepared to do? Or the arms dealers? Cam' an' man.

 

Businesses don't pay taxes, they pass the increased prices on to the consumer. That's you and me.

 

No way in hell Ron Paul would get my vote.

You may as well vote for George Wallace or Ronald Reagan.

Everybody knows what "States' rights" means, don't we ... Dr. King?

 

Ron Paul is not republican....he's so far right-winged he's a Libertarian.....

 

You are never going to get a president whom will make all the people happy and like him or her,but I feel Ron Paul may come close as Reagan did when elected.

 

I tend to agree with Libertine on this one. The free market is not the answer for a stable society. Some things like utilities need to be regulated in order to provide necessities at a reasonable cost to all. If the telephone and electricity had not been regulated and subsidized, they wouldn't have been available to the average person. And now we are looking at a time where our poor and elderly are dying of cold and heat prostration because they can't afford the outrageous charges.

Business can't expect to recieve non ending annual increasing profits every year. There reaches a point where there is going to be a ceiling. What then they bail and say it's not profitable anymore? Or like with oil they are allowed to manipulate the market by limiting production?

Why is it we are sold the free market with every political breath, but in this modern age, insurance is our only option for so many issues? Insurance used be an option rich people used to protect their merchant enterprises. Now it's making poor people even poorer, because they are having to purchase a guarrantee with so many strings attached that they never receive any return on their insurance investments.

And I don't agree with Paul and his stance on Public Education. It's one of the things that actually lead to the US becoming a world power.

 

That just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy:huh:

The US elected a president in the early stage of Alzheimers and we should strive to do that again. It's bad enough we elected a dancing chimp and his evil handler twice.

Don't get me wrong I don't think Paul suffers from Alzheimers in fact I respect many of his views (those which protect the constitution).

 

I liked Regan, I mean my family and my friends families did quite well under his leadership in the PNW. Lots of jobs around us then with good pay. Companies fought to get employees instead of now they fight to see how low they can pay. I still dont believe that with what has been laid out any president will be able to change that.

As for loosing the IRS well you need to really look at who pays more in taxes (Big business or private people) I know the answere to this one already.

 

You are so hot (and COOL) that I nominate you for President.

I'll be your intern.