Ron Paul Song!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by crankyelbow, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Why hasn't this congress done anything? That's my big question. I don't care what party they belong to it seems they all attend the same party currently. They all hire the same consultants they all play the same marketing games. Hilary I think she buys her gowns at the same shops the republican debs do. Romney, hell his church now allows blacks into their congregations...we should be proud.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    One thing during this Presidents rule he has eroded the constitution and issued more executive orders that accomplish the same thing, and our congress has done NOTHING!

    I am a Californian I don't expect Pelosi or ilk to do it unless pressured. Where's the pressure. Not coming from the dems, and certainly not from Lieberman. Hell he's more republican than most republicans.
     
  3. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    LOL. The man opposses legal abortions and I do not share that view. Not really much to misunderstand about my own views.

    Of course I am confused; I'm a Canadian and I'm talking about American politics. The two party system in your country encourages mediocrity. The right is practically the epitome of active mediocrity in the USA. High school civics classes that convince you that you are living in the world's greatest democracy. The two parties ensure stability, reliability, and control. You can embody a lot in two different parties with the illusion of choice, though they wouldn't have expressed it as such. Like in 2000, every flaw of the federal, two party system was laid out naked and ugly.

    Yet there was no rioting, no revolution.

    I don't tell this to many people, but I'm positive there's going to be serious bloodshed here in my own lifetime.

    The two party system maybe ideal for building empires while maintaining republican sensibilites at home, not so ideal for building democracy.

    Paul is a very popularist republican. He's a typical old school conservative, a Libertarian except when it comes to women's rights. Reminds me a bit of Ross Perot really. Probably the same people who liked Perot like Ron Paul.
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    So Ron Paul would not let his children accept federal student loans nor does he accept a congressional pension because both are taxpayer supported.

    It must be nice to be rich, huh???

    He opposes the war on drugs and the war in Iraq - is why people on the left support him. But I think it's retarded to do so. There are viable candidates on the left who do all those things and, you know, have positive attitudes toward women's rights and the environment.
     
  4. MagicCarpetRide

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    I suport Ron Paul on all that he stands for so far. He is the most freedom oriented and much more fair than other canidates, even if he can't accomplish all that he wants to do it's the principals that matter. I have always been more for the democrats all my life but Ron Paul is one Republican that makes sence. As far as abortions thats murder as far as im concerned, who in the hell in there fucking right mind would kill the child developing inside of them. If i were president I would make it illegal and punishable by law because to me it falls under murder. If people aren't smart enough to use condoms and birth control then they have to face up to there responsibility to that child. As far as womens right's, they don't have the right to murder there children. That also goes for the father of that child too.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    No, because student loans are a way of getting people in debt early so they will never emerge from it. That's the whole scam. Credit and debt is a form of control, because if you're in debt to the banks which print money out of thin air anyway, you basically have a proverbial noose around your neck for the rest of your life. The establishment wants people in debt, working to pay off loans with money that doesn't even exist. That's called control. People are much less likely to rebel against the system if they have to work like slaves to keep what they have and keep their heads above the water.

    Smart people don't take out loans or use credit cards. They live modestly, like me. I don't own a single credit card, nor ever will.

    Like who?
     
  6. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    It would be great to see the minimum wage increase in America.

    Again, it must be nice to be rich. Living a meagre lifestyle debt-free and without ever having to ask for a monetary loan from the government, family, friends, or any other lending institution is a privilege. You must be very proud of yourself, and I'm happy for your situation.

    There are many benefits for the individual to have a credit file and being able to reflect a positive experience with creditors.

    One may get a better rate on a mortgage, secured loan, student loan, line of credit, financing and/or lease on a car if one has a positive and active credit file. A person can even get a better job with a solid credit bureau, as most employers do a credit check.

    There are many benefits to credit card use for the average consumer. Retail cards allow the customer to be placed onto promotions and financial plans where they can gradually pay off goods, furniture, groceries, auto repairs, small business supplies, etc. Certain cards include reward values for a wide variety of other discounts on purchases. Credit card companies want their customers to spend money, but they are also highly consumer responsive. I have known several people personally with credit card debt, who have had their debt written-off by their creditors, sometimes within the range of $3,000-$5,000 or higher. Debt relief is never an impossibility.

    It is my opinion that students deserve federally funded loans, grants and scholarships through programs that the government is able to provide -- if only to have some place to turn to besides going to the bankers.

    Are we not able to agree on that?

    It is all well and good that Mr. Paul was able to have five children (half of whom have became doctors), and has never had to subject them to paying for their own education without ever having to take out a single federal student loan, while in the same breath turn around and say that these student loans should be abolished.

    That's all good and well coming from somebody who has already had every opportunity to excel and is doting on his grandchildren.

    Kucinich comes to mind.
     
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