Riot videos - anticapitalist riots !!!!

Cool one this is much better than those namby pamby riots they have in the USA - its like they havent learned how to fight over there !

Few cops firing tear gas and rubber bullets and they fuck off

 

I am glad you people are enjoying this thread -

I am saving the best for later

 

So you promote violence. Why because you think it's fun to watch? Would you like to raise children in a world where violence is happenstance and results from a bunch of over indulged juveniles that like music acting out their dreams of macho manhood? Does it lead to anything besides more violence?

 

Riots do more to disrupt and dismantle actual dissension then they could ever do to support a cause. The violence in December of 2005 in Seatle did one thing it took the emphasis away from the actual non-violent protests validity. No one wanted to talk about what was actually wrong about the WTO talks going on, the world focussed solely on the violence.

Want to spread that sort of ineffectual protest around the world, you have to be crazy.

 

then its about time people woke up and took their heads out of their assholes isnt it ?
Peaceful protest was tried for several decades and failed, now is the time the left wing says no-more! This time Europe and the USA had it coming ! Win lose or draw, the political landscape wont be remotely the same in 5 years time

Gardener about 4 years ago I argued for the same as you did then the G8 protests and anticapitalist protests that turned into riots helped get the debt lifted. But that was just a pressure valve, they havent acceded to the major demands of the anticapitalists and now over the next 5 years comes the reason, the propoganda, and the revolution

 

People are awake, but violent protests will only send them back behind a wall of personnally imposed secure information. Martin Luther King, Ghandi only succeed through peaceful protest. Civil Rights and Independence for India could not have succeeded through violent means.

Look at that video where are leaders are they identifiable? or are they all running for cover and hiding their identities. Just like the riots in LA after Rodney King...what did they accomplish, except a lot of individuals were allowed to loot stores. Peaceful protest would have accomplished more.

Do we have any idea of what they are protesting or hear any reasonable argument against what they created this violence in protest of? Who was more successful Ghandi, King, the Peace Protestors of the sixties or the violence that anonymous young terminators seek? In Seattle no one remembers anything about the WTO meeting only the violence.

 

Women gained personal rights in the sixties without firing a shot or throwing a stone. They may have burned bras but they gained attention and legislation legally and non-violently. Why don't you young turks drop your drawers in protest it might be more effective.

Your argument that non-violent protest is ineffective is not accurate. Violence and war is never the most effective weapon. Non-violent conflict has accomplished way more than war and violence ever have.

 

You want a truly anti-captalist movement than stop buying their goods. That would effectively stop their influence. Stop buying into their models and come up with your own. Shit they wouldn't know what to do.

 

The American's fought off British rule. They ended segregation, they allowed women equal rights, ended the Vietnam War. Namby pampy maybe, but we don't wait for others to guide us. And I think we've learned the most efficient means of dissent. Sure it took us time and we made mistakes, but not those you in Europe will if you buy into the mindset that mindless violence is the only means to an end. And revolt and dissension will always be evolving. But to think that distruction of private property and person is the only way of dissent, is totally wrong. This is a time when terrorists are defined as the enemy, not smart to identify yourself with that group if you have a valid cause you want listened to, in my opinion.

 

I for one here in the states am against buying Chinese food stuffs or ingredients since thousands of our pets lost their lives. But I am not going to bomb an in coming ship or factory. I am just going to stop buying what they have to sell and I am going to convince my friends not to also.

 

dude you dont have to post 5 or 6 times just because you F*cked up and look a bit silly - just make your point in one post

dude I think the clue is in the title. Anticapitalist.
I dont think it gets plainer does it. It isnt pro anything yet. Let people build again after its torn down, but of course the capitalists could always back down and listen to what the people want - or we can bury capitalism. Capitalism is either for us or against us - who pays you to defend Bush and all the other capitalist shits gardener? - I mean I read your posts and youre supposed to be rebbellious but all I see is a defender of capitalism

If you dont like whats posted why bother trying to argue me down. all I'm doing is posting videos of people rioting so people can learn how to do that !

how many US agents are paid to beat down posts by the left wing in forums etc ??? fuckin thousands just ask the posters at some of the places like abovetopsecret.com

 

I've never been pro-Bush. And to tear down without having a means of allowing people to live meaningful lives is more something Bush would encourage then I ever would.

The only thing I am trying to beat down is mindless violence.

I didn't try to post all my thoughts in one post because number one no one reads long posts, number two because they are seperate thoughts addressing seperate issues in numerous posts.

Perhaps you'd like to address them. I've been termed a bleeding heart liberal by friends so sorry I am not a conservative conspiratorist.

 

The only thing I am trying to beat down are mindless young turks that wish to prove their manhood through mindless violence. If you are so set on violence then join the military or go set off bombs.

 

gardener - there is no point addressing you, you either want to riot or you dont I am not going to say you are wrong, I simply ask, JOIN US ??
If not then fair do's fair play, dont but I dont have any less of a claim to protest and violence in the name of politics than Bush or Blair does. I choose war with those capitalist nazis because they leave me no option. Me and other anarchists have no option but to defend freedom against them. Indeed the victor does not defend they attack !
They put up the G8 we try to rip it down, they put up the EU summit we try to rip it down. Why - well they never asked me if they could do any of this shit so I am letting them know how I feel

voting is no option they are liars and no-one can trust them
If the government and media is with the people, let them put this on the news at 6 and 10pm in its entirety and say nothing except "let us know if you dig the coolness 0f antticapitalist propoganda"

just exactly whats mindless about it - this is an ideology that some of the best thinkers in academia support but all I'll say about that is: theyre doing a grand job on the minds of students and the revolution grows and grows

 

Most of the population here in the states didn't know anything about G8 or the EU summits because violence overrode the media minutes. And by destroying individual property and probably actually causing loss of life or injury you and your ilk are going to transfer focus and reason. Perhaps before you call for Jihad on behalf of your cause you'd like to outline how you would improve things. I am all ears. Explain to me your outline of how you would run things. If you have a solution and reason behind your cause let us hear it.

 

No I refuse, Why dont you say how you will run things when we have done all the work to get your freedom back for you - look dont worry about it gardener this is a european thing anyway, its mainly about Europe you are too brainwashed in the USA and really havent got that musch history behind you. The USA is too young to have the same antiestablishment network like we have built across europe

In the states your police will shoot to kill I understand why you are afraid of them but in Europe theres less risk of that, it happens, but we have to fight. Europe has to free itself before we can help you - you must free yourselves -

Just so long as your media and culture spreads its message into my families living room - i will spread my message into yours.

We arent the disease we are the cure

 

Your methods will never regain any sense of humanity or balance in the world.

You only seek to enhance your manhood through senseless acts of violence. Join the Army, you can get paid to do that.

It's easy to spout dissent and riot, it's harder maybe impossible for you to pose non-violent solutions to problems.

I stated the most effective means to counteract capitalism. Stop buying the goods!

 

I dout the world will ever fix it's self. If youv read animal farm it shows u that human nature is usles and 1 group of people will also try and get more power over anther group.

Im glad i live in a part of the world wher that kinda stuff doesnt happen tho,scary

 

Animal farm depicted a group of pubescent young males. The world is made up of more than that lower form of society. There are moderating forces. You have to remember that those same young males operated differently before being exiled on the island and reverted to civilized behavior after rescue.

The fact that we can resort to that lower element does not negate the fact that we can also rise above it.

 

If you can just stop huffing up your overblown pomposity and just state, are you actually against capitalism?
I dont think you are, dont demean my fucking arguments with your sense of justice values and trying to say its immature - FUCK YOU !!!. Youre a hypocrite Gardener, you say "down with capitalism" and then do bugger all to stop it, you spout the same tired crap that lost the last attempt at a revolution back in the late 60's early 70's. DECIDE NOW !!!!!! whose side are youy really on ???????????????

or are you really here because youre another fuckin yankee libertarian, which over in Europe stinks of fascist ideology

Maybe if you had any balls you'd do the same

still you call it senseless and still I say - how can it be - its violence with an ideology behind it - one that is supported by a growing army of academics