right religion

the word of god will always b!
even wen the world ahs ended!

 

Yet, according to Christ, there is only one way of salvation, which he said was both baptism in water and baptism in the holy spirit.

 

interesting neurophysiology note:
scientists mapping brain function sites (by stimulating places inside brain tissue with micro-electrodes) have found that the locus which causes spontaneous vocal utterances is right next to the locus which induces an experience of the numinous (awe & "religious" ecstacy, mmmkay?)...
just coincidence? i think not ...

 

That verse proves absolutley NOTHING about how the apostoles recieved it, nor does it say how your church has it but mine does not. We do posses it, and maybe if you were confirmed you would understand.

They spoke in tounges, meaning others could understand what they were saying, of all nations.


"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]). -------------Hippolytus

You are bitching about infant baptism, I prove you wrong and show you where the ealry church fathers supported it, THEN you bitch about the Catholic Churh not having our clergy lay their hands on us, when they do in tons of instances. Even parishiners pray togethar and do that. You are just attempting to discredit everything now, and you can't. I just showed this in the last 2 posts. If it were not for the early church fathers building up the church, Christianity would have been nothing but a short lived religion. I am still waiting for you to rebuke the foundations of Christianity and the early church fathers supporting infant baptism.

Every Christian religion baptizes, that still does not make up for all the other things you and every other Protestant church has thrown out.

Complete nonsense. Speaking in tounges means that the apostoles were talking in languages everyone could understand, what was it, who knows. But you have taken it to a totally absurd level: are you meaning to tell me if someone in your church is not mumbling mumbo jumbo, they're what, expected to keep trying, keep praying until they do, so they can win your congregation's approval? You know how many people probably just mimic that in your church just to fit in so they won't be judged and looked down on by people like you?

Sorry Epiphany, your praying to Christ certainly helps your life and I am sure others around you, that's what prayers are for, but I don't believe for one minute your pastor has powers, certainly not on par of what Catholic clergy possess and their record of it. Talk to me when your pastor performs a true exorcissm (sp.?), talk to me when your pastor recieves Stigmata becasue of his faith in Christ and the Holy Eucharist is so great. Not only that, people have been going to Lourdes, France for years where the blessed Mother appeared and after she left a spring of holy water formed and have been healed of all sorts of things. It's not just your church, Protestant churches all over do not have the same validity that we have.

Please tell me how your oil is holy. We, as you were certainly not aware, use holy oil in many aspects as well, but the differnece is ours is valid, our church is valid.

I am pretty sure Christ is not pleased you go to other Christian nations, Catholic ones, like in Latin America, and try and covert people to your faith, just becasue you simply don't like the Catholic faith. And if you think Catholics are not Christian, or that we are not going to heaven, then we should just not even speak anymore about these things, becasue that would just be a typical, narrow minded, judgemental fundementalist mindset. I can assure you I don't think your going to hell, I recognize even though I totally disagree with everything your church does, that it is a Christian denomination and that's what matters.

The only people on record of casting out demons are Catholic clergy. It does not happen that often, it's very rare, I hardly doubt your church has had people possessed by demons in it, I know my church has not.

What?! Confirmation is the word used to describe the gift of the holy spirit, and becoming an adult in the church. That is a pathetic attempt to discredit Catholic doctrine, desparate as well, but pathetic.

Ohh goody, the pedophile priest thing. Less that 1% of Catholic priests are/were pedophiles, I gurantee their are some bad Pentecostal pastors out there too Epiphany, you just hear about ours more becasue we are more recognized, larger, and we are the keystone of Christianity, and the Catholic Church is held to a higher standard for a reason. The Church has taken measures to make sure this does not happen (hopefully) again.

No you don't, I have said this waaay to many times. You don't beleive in the literal transubstantiation of the Eucharist, you don't believe Mary stayed a Virgin and was born without original sin, infant baptism etc etc. I am tired of arguing with a brick wall.

That has absolutley nothing to do with Holy Communion, nor does it answere why your church fails to follow the Apostolic Tradition of not taking communion in a literal sense, somthing the early church did and taught to do.

Thank you for finnaly admitting you don't do 3 things Apostolic Tradition, the Early Church, and the Early Church fathers taught to do: Pray to The Mother of God Mary, the Saints, and Holy Communion in the literal sense.

 

The Apostles did not teach, "conformation". That is teaching of the Catholic church. The Apostles taught that the evidence of the Holy Spirit was the speaking in tongues.... I have baptism of the Holy Spirit, the same way the Apostles did, and those who they taught recieved.

"Strange lips and foreign tongues"
One of the spiritual gifts in the interpretation of tongues found in 1 Corinthians 12
I would like that everyone of you speak in tongue" - Paul (1 Corinthians 14:5)
"Anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he might interpret what he has said." - Paul says this in 1 Corinthians 14:13

These are all verses that show that tongues is not an interpretable language
"Do not speak to man, but to God."

All you have proven is that the Catholic church leaders believed in infant baptism. The idea that a baby cannot understand the concept if Christ is really very elementary. I have showed how the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and you have not showed me one speck of information as to why the Catholic church doesn't do that. Same with tongues.

The scriptures say that when the Apostles taught, men and women were baptized. It says nothing of children.

I have just showed the verses above that show what it was. In a previous post, I showed the verses where those being taught by the Apostles about baptism in the Holy Spirit, also spoke in other tongues. The Apostles did, those they taught did, we do. The Catholic church does not. The word of the Lord clearly states that the evidence of the Holy Spirit is speaking in other tongues. Why would God himself say the part about strange lips and foreign tongues if it were not true? Not believing in that, is not believing in what God himself said.

I am sorry that you feel that way but my Pastor has an anointing from the Lord to his will. He is baptized, filled with the Spirit of the Lord, and has the power of the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus Christ said to his apostles in Acts to, "Wait until the Holy spirit comes upon you and YOU will receive power". I have seen healing power in my church. From common colds to incurable diseases and I've only been there for one year.

I Don't personally know any priests who have stigmata.

The Holy Spirit of Christ led me to post his plan of Salvation. There are several missionaries that are spreading the word of salvation to other nations. Many people are being baptized in his name and recieving the baptism in the holy spirit for their salvation.

It's not that rare... in fact, it happens quite a lot in other nations. There are a lot of Pentecostal missionaries having to cast out demons in other parts of the country.

 

i think that is where you go terribly wrong, just my opinion though...

 

but ure opinion isnt always right!
neityher is mine!
but i knwo this to b true!
without jesus i wudnt b rigcheous enough to b in gods presence because of sin....
man always make mistakes,but jesus never did,he was a worthy sacrafise,and because of him we can b in gods sight and b loved even in ou=r mistakes and wrong doin

 

Epiphany, I have a passage from the Bible for you:

Matthew 7: 21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Basically, Christ is saying that just because you do these things it does not give you some special acceptance into heaven. He says flat out that you can do them and not know him. BUT what he does make clear is that these things are not contigent on getting into heaven.

If you were really concerned about what the lord want's you to do, you would definitely not be dooming fellow christians to hell simply because they aren't speaking in tounges and their pastors aren't casting out demons...

 

Somehow, I doubt that your crystal clear message will be heard...

 

Epiphinay and Jozak stop your pointless chidlish bikering, "ooo my way is right" "ooo no your a catholic" "yeah well we did you alot of damadge in ireland you protistant cunts" ok so it didn't actualy get that far but cant you see how stupid it is and yes there are verses in the bible about how the Church will separate and how this is very bad, i think you should both read John 17 and maybe you will start to understand the importance of Unity, that doesn't mean we have to decide the true ceramony from tradition but simply to overlook the petty differences and join in our one true faith.

man deal with yourselves yuh bumba clats.

 

did you say 'cunts'? Oooooooh, that is the worst swear Peppy. You are fer sure gonna roast on satans barbie fer that one.

Unless I am already taking up all the room on it, which is not all that unlikely if all this mumbo jumbo clap trap is fer real.
I'll try to save ya some room.

 

i'm sorry i forgot that alot of people don't like the word ****, it is weird that, how people rate swear words, like fuck that is suposedly worse than just shit or crap, and what about twat up in the north of england i hear that is a really "bad" word can't be going round saying twat. i read a funny article in the paper the other day it was an old publishing of the guardian about "womens genitals" and the lack of a nice word for them that isn't too rude and doesn't just sound childish. it was quite funny as it started with a list of names, and some of them were really imaginative, shame i have such a shit memory or i would tell you them.

 

Ok..sorry if im repeating someone elses words..i didnt read o ver all the posts..but here is my view...The bible says a lot about ppl of 'weaker faiths'...like...if someones beliefs dot allow them to eat certain things, dont make a big deal out of it..do whats right with your consiense..The only exceptions are if your with someone who wants you to take part in some sort of ceremony. or eat somethig they are offering as sacrafice to aother god. Basically, as long as others arent a stumbling block for you, and your actions arent a stumbling black in aother christians life, its all good. My friend had a shirt that said "Reject religion, embrace Jesus." I like that a lot. People get too caught up in fine print..they forget the important stuff...another difference is ppl of different religios all together..like buddhism and such..a chick i worked with tried to tell me they are ALL THE SAME..and I dont agree with that..but baptists, united, pentecostal and all..we all believe in the same God right? isnt that all that should matter?