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I myself find it repulsive. I don't know how these people actually think they are doing their god's work by being judgemental, intolerant, and untruthful.

The bible says that christians are to act as an example to the world. And what a wonderful example they have been over the course of history

It was because of the examples of the christians around me that I started to question the faith I grew up with. I was raised baptist myself, and have 14 years of schooling in the christian faith. Nothing turned me away from it quicker than seeing the true face of christianity, the face you don't see as a small child.

(BTW, my science teacher in school actually tought me that men have 1 less rib than women...how messed up is that? They teach this crap in sunday schools all over the place)

 

And all that horrible religious history is just an example of false prophecy mentioned in the Bible that will destroy the hearts of men.

I'm not trying to debate... God's word is his word... if someone doesn't agree with it, they will have to answer to him, not to anyone else.

 

Quote: I'm not trying to debate... God's word is his word... if someone doesn't agree with it, they will have to answer to him, not to anyone else.


You flat out DON"T debate because you are brainwashed into thinking your interpretation is the only one, and then you arrogantly tell everyone else that if they don't believe EXACTLY like you do, then they will have to answer to god.


Your literal interpretation of the King James bible is laughable. It is CLEARLY not the exact word of god, if anything at all it is an interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation of gods word.

 

God Bless

 

Typical christian holier-than thou arrogance that I was talking about. Thanks for giving me yet another example, epiphany!

Basically, if you don't agree with her interpretation of gods word then you have to answer to god about it...

 

God Bless you too

arrogance - Not really...

I'm not debating because there is nothing to debate. God's truth is his truth.

Judgemental - Not really... I'm not the one who is going to judge the world.

I have layed out what man believes, and what God says is true. I have not done so on my own accord. This isn't Traci truth, it's the Lords.

 

i agree
Most people have religion shoved down their throats at an early age whether they like it or not. then guilt is used to anchor them to something they might not even understand. later their egos get attached, kinda like rooting for their baseball team, (i haven't heard yet that one will be eternally damned unless they call themselves by the name of that particular religion, if there's one out there like that its probably a cult.) anyway the sad thing is this renders them closeminded and usually most of them never even get in touch with what reality is.

 

You all have to understand the Evangelical Protestant Christian reasoning: It's more emotion than logical facts, and they will all tell you they are the right one, when they have no apostolic or biblical authoirty for that matter. Pentecostals will tell you they are the right one, same with Southern Baptists, same with Assemblies of God--they were split off groups from the true churches: The Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.

I mean half of them don't even know they are using an incomplete bible (King James Version). King James for example had 7 books taken out that were in the original canon! They throw out sacraments and teachings of the early Church fathers and use the bible only, (Sola Scriptura) which is totally unbiblical in of itself. They are usually the most judegemental and condeming as well.

 

Apostolic authority comes from the Holy Ghost... just as authority came upon the apostles when they first recieved the Holy Ghost during pentecost. I am Apostolic, btw.

 

First off, Epiphany, when ever i read your posts it creeps me out cause you look just about exactly to a one of my christian friends...But anyway, how come God's truth is only Jesus's truth, how come it is not Krishna, or Muhammad? Islam recognises Jesus's miracles...also the virgin birth from God. How come this is not taken into account when denouncing other religions...the Jews did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, but you have His faith... How come God's truth is not Krishna's truth, He was around before Jesus was... Maybe Jesus was lying, like i assume you beleive Muhammad was if you beleive He existed...

And i beleive there is only one truth of God, but not one teacher of it...

 

Jesus died and came back. Did Muhammad or anyone else? The Bible is a bunch of authors. It's not just one person who had a dream.

 

no, muhammad never came rose after dieing, but He was given Khaatem, the seal of the prophethood.

 

Wasn't that religion based on one person's perspective? And Jesus was the Son of God. Rose after death, died for our sins, how can anyone question that.

 

exactly

 

Well acctually the Qur'an is very similar to the Torah and Gospels, and recognizes both as holy books, but when Muhammad was teaching islam, some people say He was acctually copying the bible, even thougbn He had no acces to one..

 

But that's where it all falls out, he did have access to the Bible. It's kind of like the Mormon religion also.

 

Look at the defenitions apostolic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apostolic

**Of, relating to, or contemporary with the 12 Apostles. Of, relating to, or derived from the teaching or practice of the 12 Apostles.

**Of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the 12 Apostles, regarded by Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and some others to have been perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be requisite for valid orders and administration of sacraments.

**Roman Catholic Church. Of or relating to the pope as the successor of Saint Peter; papal.

Your church with all due respect was not commissioned by Christ. It does not follow the succession of the 12 disciples. Your church is a split off group from the original churches, the Orthodox and Roman Catholic. One only needs to look at the dictionary to see that. You don't do what the apostoles and early church fathers did: You don't beleive in the 7 sacraments, you don't beleive in the real presecense in communion like they did, you think praying to Mary is bad and that she did not remain a virgin, and I can cite DOZENS of examples from the early church fathers to prove my case as well, and other "Catholic" things as well. We have kept what the apostoles and early church fathers commissioned us to do. You throw a lot of it out the window.

 

But He didn't, he was from Mecca, and i was misinformed hen i posted that last one, it is not Muhammad's teachings of Islam, the Qur'an is the direct word of God that Muhammad writes......It is not like mormon...

 

Apostolic- Of, relating to, or contemporary with the 12 Apostles.
Of, relating to, or derived from the teaching or practice of the 12 Apostles.
What did the apostles teach? Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (how many times did Peter say that alone?) and the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

I believe Jesus Christ himself said...."And power shall come upon you when you receive the Holy Ghost and you shall be my witnesses".... He said that to, the apostles. What do penecostals believe in? Yep... the power of the Holy Spirit. In the same way the apostles were filled with it during pentecost. My church has the same power of the Holy Ghost that they had.

Acts 8:12 says when Philip (another Apostle) preached the good news in the name of Jesus Christ, that both men and women were baptized .(again in the name of Jesus Christ like they preached) Hmm says nothing about infants and sprinkling of water.

Yet another teaching of the apostles. The laying of hands (I've never seen a head get smacked). Acts 8:18 says, "When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles hands".... We see more verses about the laying of hands throughout the Bible ( a good concordinance will help find all of those)

Yet, nothing has been cited as to why the Catholic church CLAIMS that Peter is the rock, when they don't even follow what he says specifically about baptism or the infilling of the holy spirit. He is their rock, yet they don't follow his teachings? A bit odd.

All in all, I do not see any of these apostolic teachings being taught in the Catholic church. You will find them being taught in the Apostolic Pentecostal church.

 

You baptize like almost every other church does. Anything else? As I said before, your church continues to disregard early apostolic and church fathers' teachings that were crucial parts of the early church, as I have mentioned already: Holy Communion, veneration of the Virgin Mary, and countless other things.

Nice try, you forgot the other part of that verse though:
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38)"For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39)
Baptism is not restricted to adults Epiphany.

Baptism is a sacrament, it is for the remmission of original sin and for actual sin which we will commit in our later lives. I believe Christ also said, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 19:14). The people whose baptisms we read about in Scripture (and few are individually identified) are adults, because they were converted as adults. This makes sense, because Christianity was just beginning—there were no "cradle Christians," people brought up from childhood in Christian homes.

The fact is the Early Church pracitced Infant Baptism, another thing your chuch totally throws down the drain.

EARLY CHURCH FATHERS


"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]). -----Irenaeus


"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]). -------------Hippolytus

"Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]). -----Origen

Epiphany, your church has nothing on the early church fathers.

What are you talking about? We follow the teachings of Peter, you are the one who is, (surprise, surprise!!) interpreting the verses wrong, and left off the other half of it! That is odd. How can you say you don't see any apostolic teachings, everything we DO IS APOSTOLIC!! We have continued the tradition of the early church fathers and apostoles for over 1600 years.