Revelations of an Elite Family Insider...

That only applies to external social and technological aspects of life but has nothing to do with personal growth and self awareness which is the knowledge and wisdom that I have been referring to all along.
I can read all the scriptures and spiritual writings in existence and come to an intellectual understanding of the concepts put forth. Until I personally experience some mystical type of awareness regardless of the methodology used to achieve it I will still never KNOW what they are talking about. That is what I am talking about, and regardless of what the wonders of technology may provide, there are simply some lessons and wisdom that CAN ONLY BE KNOWNwith increasing years on the planet.

I definitely don't think I know it all, the more I learn the less I know.
Every question answered raises ten more questions. That just pushes me to learn more.
And the "been there-done-that" is a very valid point of view for us older people to have. Why? Because we have been there and done that.
Example from my life: My 21 year old stepdaughter who is is in her 2nd year studying criminal justice passed up on a once in a lifetime opportunity to go study and work at Scotland Yard this summer, her reason was because she didn't want to leave her boyfriend, her first "true love".
Her mother and I tried to talk to her about it but "what do you know","you have never had a love like us", "how could you know what I feel", yada yada.
Chances are they will be together for about a year and that chance to study will be long gone.
You say you have 5 kids, I have 6, so I know some of what I say you must have encountered yourself. You can't tell me you have never heard from any of them the phrase "But you don't understand". It's not us that doesn't understand what youth and growing up is like, it's them who are caught up in the moment of youth and don't have the benefit of hindsight. That is all I am really saying.

 

hmmm. iv obviously misread your other post, and this one sparks a question that is difficult to answer. there is a big difference between faith and conscience. i do believe the heart recognizes deeper truth than the logical mind, and yes, somtimes the two conflict...its a confusing and difficult thing.
when faith conflicts with conscience we are confronted with the task of slaying our illusions. its rough no?

i dont know....at this point in my life the only belief i am able to hold is that the heart is enough. too many illusions iv held dear have been slain, this is all i have the strength to hold, and trully feed. i dont think i could
(nor would want to) live in a world where the heart were not enough. so i choose to live as though it is, even in moments when it seems not to be. its been a beautiful path to center myself on, and i feel blessed.

about the content of hidden hands posts, as iv said...it means nothing to me to believe. but it sparks alot of curiosity within me, and there is much to the story that does resonate within me. its not my place to deny or defend anything....i dont know. there has been encounters within my own life that do lend weight to much of the story....but i dont know, and im okay with that. mine is the art of not knowing, it makes sence to me. lol

 

I don't believe it's for us humans to know what form we take beyond the grave,if any,other than what we can observe--that is,decomposition of our present forms.If as we(or rather science) can determine,there were no humans say,a billion years ago,we can therefore conclude that there were no suppositions or theories then as to the nature of existance and the place of sentient beings ,such as ourselves in the future.No humans,no language,no writing.All such has to have come about through natural evolution-have they not?Some theories put forth are for edification purposes,some are for hucksters to ply their trade.Being agnostic myself,I say who knows?--------"you pays your money and you takes your chances".My 2 c

 

sure, you know the experience that happened in your youth better than i do. but does that mean that you have a better understanding of just how different things are now than i do? no.

i am implying that someone of your age couldn't possibly experience the world of 2009 in the way that someone of my age does. being young in the 60's, and being young in the early 2000's are just two different entities entirely.

i meant that the trials through which every generation go through are different. even though we still have the same fundamental path to mature through, there is still a major difference in the world today than in the past. the world today and it's issues are built upon those of the past. think of it as a progression. our social issues and world dilemmas are built upon yours.

this is the main problem i have with the philisophies of the older generation. this kind of self-assured richeousness just isn't productive to harbouring growth. as soon as you start thinking of yourself as knowing more than other people, then that is when you starting shutting yourself off to outside influence, and the opportunities of growth they afford you. this is the very essence of becoming old and jaded. it isn't so much a problem that i have with the older generation, it is a problem that i have with this philosophy. i'm sure that many people in their youth can also be charachterised by this. but the thing is that with the great many more experiences that come with age, it can be a whole lot easier to fall into this trap.

i think that if you will go back and read my posts, this is what i have been saying all along.

getting caught up in the moment is part of what being truly is alive is about. no past, no future, just now. the second you start letting your preconceived notions interfere with your life is when you start losing grip on yourself. i am happy for your daughter, and glad that she made the right decision.

word. almost made me cry. LOL

 

i too misread your first post. it is us that should be apologising, not you. you should elaborate more

i think that when the heart recognises truth then that is because it is ready to do so. it is that person's karma, if you will. but the problem is that no one has the same karma, thus different people might have different conceptions about the same thing. there is only one truth, just different people being more or less in touch with it.

but as archemetis pointed out, when the heart conflicts with the mind we are tasked with slaying our illusions. the problems is that some people are so desperatly gripped to those illusions, sometimes the mind wins over, because they are not ready to slay those particular illusions.

agreed.

 

First a simple definition of preconceived:
Adj. 1. preconceived - (of an idea or opinion) formed beforehand; especially without evidence or through prejudice; "certain preconceived notions"

Why do you insist on making the assumption that the "philosophy" I hold at this point in my life has been arrived at without the benefit of evidence or is prejudicial ? Isn't it possible as I have said that I have already explored many of the same types of avenues which you yourself are currently exploring in the pursuit of awareness and a more spiritual existence.
Maybe my "notions" have been arrived at through many years of soul searching and various spiritual happenings and events, both drug induced and through training, prayer, meditation, and just living life.
Do you have children? If so have they grown to adulthood yet?
If not then regardless of what you want to believe or how much it may irritate you, there is no way you will ever learn the many lessons about life, yourself, your relationship with your own parents, as well as some very heavy spiritual lessons until you have raised a child from birth to adulthood. Not gonna happen, no amount of LSD, Salvia, chanting, meditation or any other damn thing will teach you those things. That is just an example, but there are many things in life that the only way to know them is to live them. That is all I ever meant, there is some wisdom that only comes from longevity on the planet. Does that mean you are less than me because you are younger? NO. Does that mean that you haven't learned things that I may never learn? NO.
You seem to make a lot of assumptions about me based on my age. The only thing I really said was that there tends to be a lot of "magical thinking" expressed in these forums, you took that as being directed at you and thats what got this discourse started. I think maybe you have a few preconceived notions yourself about the older generation.
Did you ever consider the possibility that over time I have learned that all this stuff that gets discussed in these forums can be condensed down to just some basic ideas that govern my journey without the need to over examine, define it, compare it ot others views, etc. etc. ?
I don't have all the answers or my screen name would be "Hidden_Hand"
but I have come to these simple rudders to steer my life by;
1) Always seek the Divine or God and strive to emulate that.
2) Love others as I Love myself and as I want to be Loved
3) Motives carry more spiritual weight than actions

Does that in any way diminish your search, no because it is yours.
Just don't diminish mine if I say that I may have reached or learned some things that you haven't yet.
Peace Younger Brother

 

that wasn't what i meant by preconceived.

verb (used with object), -ceived, -ceiving. to form a conception or opinion of beforehand, as before seeing evidence or as a result of previously held prejudice.

although your definition does hint at the real modulation of the word.

yea i wasn't trying to diminish your search. just because we are in different places, that doesn't make either of our searches any more, or less, valid than the other. this goes for everyone. knowledge does not necessarily imply a superior power of discernment, is mainly what i was trying to say.

i think alot of our discourse came from misunderstanding and semantics.

peace, older brother

 

Lmao at the "insider".
What a fucking deluded lunatic.
It's the fruit-cases that make life entertaining though.

 

Fruits and nuts make for a balanced diet! :cheers2:

 

Good thread guys

 

bump. this thread was epicness. i have to say that the more i look into various mythologies and religions the more that it coincides with what this hidden hand guy is saying.

 

That's amazing! It's almost like he almost knew those universally known myths and religions or something. Uncanny.

 

A pinch of this, a dash of that, mix with a healthy dose of mystery and Viola', you have something that is appeals to a wide audience.

 

We are part of a universal curriculum, the time and practice we take are optional. Length of days are not an academic prerequisite. If your chosen quest is long life, family, career, or the pursuit of any condition, then such time is required by you, but it is not required of you by nature. As you correctly surmise, it is intent that bears witness.
It is also as you have noted that knowledge is "being shared". The dark adjusted human eye can detect a single photon. One instant of recognition is all it takes for knowledge to be complete.

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There is no way any can walk the path of another but we can certainly share our ways.

As apparently you do also.

Outstanding fundamentals.

 

ok then you two sarcastic bastards. so then what is to be said for the same archetypes appearing in almost every ancient belief system? i mean, where did these beliefs come from? how do they appear in so many different isolated cultures?

did everyone just make it up at the same time and by coincidence come up with the same archetypes?

 

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that all myths were created using the same device; the mind of homo sapiens.

That they are all similar across time and space does not speak one iota about their veracity, but rather only illuminates the consistency of human imagination; we have a very specific and reproducible archetype-machine. Myths all sound the same because they are a reflection of the deeper way in which we try and explain the cosmos through magic.

If elephants had myths, they would all have a central shared pachydermal core to them, and somewhere on elephant hipforums, elephant Desos would be absolutely convinced that the reason all the elephant myths he's heard sound similar is because they are all true. What an odd elephant.

 

the thought crossed my mind as well...

it is a fascinating read

my head is kind of spinning right now

 

I want Mr Writer to hurry up and say he's atheist so I can breathe out

 

Desos, I'm dissapointed!
I thought you were making real progress and you come back with "sarcastic bastards".

I guess your going to need a refresher course in Insulting 101.
The sign up sheet is in the back of the room.
I'll waive the lab fees this time, but not anymore.

 

OOOHHH, Wait everyone, the dope has entered the room.
Let's all be quite as he enlightens us with his wisdom.