Revealed: NSA spies on WoW, Xbox Live, Second Life

You deserve neither safety nor liberty.

 

Only according to that quote Or was it a law?

 

yeah but then we can argue what is essential and nonessential its relative to a persons comfort limits.

Its a philosophical quote from Benjamin Franklin.

Also note, when he wrote it (200+ years ago), times were a lot different so keep in mind the context. Our world is verrrrrrrry different now.

 

Personal opinion.

 

I think the Fourth Amendment is clearly written and when it says "papers" I think that's clear that includes all your personal documents, physical or digital.

 

The world being different now only strengthens that quote because the government has more avenues to use in the taking of liberties.

I like the version without the word essential better but it was the first one I came across

 

Why do you think so?

 

Asmodean if you read the text within this link, you can get a better idea of what that quote means and the contextual relationship between when it was said and today.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/what-ben-franklin-really-said/

I don't expect you to know American History, so I did a little digging for you

 

Forget Franlkin. I use the quote to convey my own personal opinion. And that is if you're willing to give up constitutional rights for a false sense of security, then you deserve neither.

Once you let go of one, the rest will follow. The Patriot act was the first and there have been many since.

 

Mhm you said that before.

 

Thanks but I saw that quote used on these forums before I just wanted to point out that who ever said that first doesn't make it a law. It is still just an opinion indeed.

 

Ah I see! Ya its quite popular.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Asmodean knew more about American history than most Americans

 

I try not to make assumptions.

 

Me too

 

I don't think that your founding fathers had the Internet in mind when they came up with that.

 

But to a point the reason we're even having this debate is because the US Constitution uses a LOT of vague language.

What is an "unreasonable" search or seizure? We've had to look to the courts for that clarification, which implies that due to the times we find outselves in, what is "unreasonable" will vary based on what an individual can do with the technology of the time.

This entire debate comes from the problem that the laws have not found a good balance between their original intent, with the pace that technology has allowed people to do, either for the good or bad of society.

When I say that, I am saying that of everybody whether they are a corporation, government entity, or individual.

This debate has even gone so far, as to say that "privacy" laws only literally apply as long as an electronic message and the data sent/carried on it is within the geographical bounds of a said country. If at any time at all that electronic message travels outside of that one country's geography, the privacy laws don't apply.

^Technically, that is logical and is a valid work around the Constitution. We're just upset about it's existence...

So perhaps this will make gamers research where the game's data is stored in what server, and where that server is located and which laws apply to it...this could be the catalyst that motivates us all to be smarter in math, science, and computer science.

 

NSA has been watching EVERYBODY, period. especially me, and people on this forum, i'm sure. no surprise.

 

Why are you saying no suprise? Has it been confirmed?

 

Luckily I don't give away what criminal things I'm doing on WoW