Respect the gender spectrum

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by unfocusedanakin, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Your claims, though prevalent in the old school of thought, do not represent the direction of science or that of even biology.

    It seems like you're familiar with the issue: participation in sports, incarceration... It's almost as though you looked into this and took here an opposing stance just to stir up controversy. I suppose that's healthy, as it gives the educated an avenue to practice our craft. :)

    Enough about you... The issue of participation in sports has been addressed; several times in fact.

     
  2. soulcompromise

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  4. 6-eyed shaman

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    College is making you dumber

    What a time to be alive
     
  5. soulcompromise

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  7. soulcompromise

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    You're asking the wrong question. My take on gender is that it is a socially constructed phenomenon. The ways we make gender are actions that we take and really just act out in our lives. The mannerisms, the norms, and the activities we undertake; really a whole lot of things combine to make up gender. So gender is really ambiguous. You have to see it from this perspective Six. It's really interesting.

    I think that gender is fluid, not static. It can be one way when you're 12 and a completely different way when you're 22. And then back again. Or alternately, something far less extreme; like for example more masculinity when you're with the team, and less pronounced masculinity when you're with your girlfriend and her friends. It could be as simple as the difference between behaviors/actions/norms/mannerisms for friends you drink with and those for hanging out with family. That's what I think gender is. It's social actions, words you choose, circumstance, and essentially your decisions, which are inherently socialized into you by your upbringing, and your social interactions, etc.

    So if I'm to summarize I don't think that "male" or "female" adequately describes gender. This is particularly true when you consider transgender, intersex, and the different sexualities that people adopt/how they play off of and into gender. There are lots of false binaries (twos) in life. Male/Female is one, just like Heterosexual/Homosexual, or some others. The real deal is it's not black or white, but rather some shade of grey.
     
  8. Asmodean

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    ^
    This is a truth.

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    This is a subjective opinion. Thanks for playing
     
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  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Wow I didn't expect 3 paragraphs....

    So before I break that down, just 1 more question: What are your preferred pronouns @soulcompromise ?
     
  10. soulcompromise

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    we haven't really talked about pronouns in my course. If you genuinely want to know how to refer to me, then please refer to me as he or him. (those are pronouns, right?)
     
  11. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    This sounds like someone who did not go to college.

    I showed you the science and you still keep at this? You are proven wrong in the logical sense.
     
  12. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Not so much
     
  13. Cliff Unicorn

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    oh really!?
     
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  14. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Yes really
     
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  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Its Mardi Gras in Sydney tonight

    I havent bothered to go in over a decade, but tonight had to meet up with someone for a early dinner in the City, so I decide to get off the bus early and walk through the crowd already building up

    And ugh, seriously, there werent like any GL(B)T there

    There were lots and lots of like groups of soccer mums that had brung a team of their teenage daughters with them, lots of really old straight couples, lots of tourists there of course

    But seriously, lucky if there was like 1 in 100 of the crowd that were gay guys

    I walked past thousands of them, saw like 2 hot scantily clad guys at most

    More like a Weight Watchers commercial than a gay pride parade
     
  16. Cliff Unicorn

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    Oh, I forgot you're an ape!
     
  17. unfocusedanakin

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    I did, you just have a personal bias to the data. Which means you will never get anywhere in science.

    If you had asked me a few years I ago I would have also said there are two genders. Now with new information I have changed my stance.
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

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    I have two bachelor's degrees
     
  19. unfocusedanakin

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    Ok that's good for you.

    Does not change you being wrong here.
     
  20. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Great so there's hope.
    I ask because I get sick of these entitled, self-centered gender trenders who demand we restructure our language to accommodate the fact that they don't like he/she him/her.

    In all honesty though, do you REALLY need a course to tell you what to think about gender pronouns?

    Sounds like you're mixing up gender with personality traits. Yes I can say that I had different interests and a different personality when I was a child, a teenager, and as an adult. But I am still a male all the same in those years. Every human also behaves differently depending on our surrounding environments as well; whether we are at work in a professional environment, a casual restaurant, at a party, in a class, with your male friends, with your girlfriend, with your parents, etc. Regardless of where we are, we become different versions of ourselves. There's a good motto that I live by: "Be the best version of yourself." This means be the best you can be in any given location or situation. Even though our personalities are multidimensional, and we bring out different sides of ourselves in varying environments, that doesn't mean our gender fluctuates. That's just plain dumb.

    Males and females have different levels of estrogen and testosterone that help shape and define a feminine and masculine personality as well.

    I'm pretty sure male and female adequately describes gender just fine. Transgenders make up 0.03% of the human population, and it is still considered a mental illness. Do I mean to be condescending when I call it a mental illness? No not at all. Gender dysphoria is listed in the DSM as a mental illness. Often times a patient with DSM will overcome this mental illness with or without getting a sex change. You can weaponize the phrase "mental illness" in the form of an insult. But at the same time there are lots of people with mental illnesses; depression is the most common one. My sister is a family mental health professional. She had a patient who was a 14 year old boy who thought he was born the wrong gender. After much counseling, she found out that his single mother treats his sister much better than him, and he felt neglected and ashamed of his masculine self. So he was led to believe that female = good, male = bad. And he wanted to be just like his sister. It's a sad story indeed. But with enough counseling, he realized hormone blockers and a sex change was not a good route for him.
     

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