Resisting vaccines?

This page has exception information state by state:
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Some public schools, daycares, etc. may require an exemption form. Colleges may require meningitis vaccines, etc.
In CT, there's only a religious exemption (and some vague medical exemption), no philosophical, but even if you weren't opposed to it religiously, they don't really check on it. There's a lot of similar states I think. There is a lobby to get philosophical exemptions in more places.

I think the main thing I would advise someone is that you should try to draw as little attention to the fact that you choose not to vaccine, if you choose not to. There's no need to explain, just give them the form when required and that's that.

If you say something, an over zealous nurse or someone who feels very strongly about it because of their personal medical history, or whatever, may try to turn you in and use what you say against you, or at least make things more difficult for you.

Sometimes with selective immunization, it's hard to explain because if you are religiously opposed to vaccines...why did you get any....again, no need to explain. Fill out the forms and that's that.

Vaccines are definitely given together and earlier than needed because they think they will get more people that way. I think it's a public health vs individual health issue....which is tricky business. If I were to give my children vaccines, I would definitely space them out rather than combine them, only give those that I felt were necessary, and try to get vaccines without mercury in them. (I would determine what was necessary by trying to find information backed by research, rather than just listen to my Dr. or the CDC.)

 

just look at the stats.

a fucking no brainer.

 

I agree with this post. There is zero evidence of the supposed link with autism following large scale studies. The authors of the original report suggesting the link subsequently retracted it and were investigated for professional misconduct. The decline in uptake of the MMR vaccine as a result of the scare has not prevented a single case of autism but has caused preventable deaths from the diseases themselves.

People refusing to vaccinate their children are acting irrationally and dangerously and opening the door to resurgences of these very dangerous, but entirely preventable diseases which can cause mental retardation and death. The dangers of complications from these diseases outweigh the risk of adverse reactions from vaccination by a very large factor.

Be thankful that vaccination has limited the prevalence of these diseases in developed countries to the extent that you can even consider not vaccinating your child without it being a transparently idiotic move. Imagine a mother in the third world, where the diseases are still very common, for whom just having access to the vaccine is the problem: I'm sure they would love the luxury of being able to opt out on the basis of some utterly unfounded media-created fears. Be aware that if you were to opt out, you are not only increasing the risk to your own child, but potentially harming everyone else too. Opting out is a part of the problem because it slows the eventual eradication of these diseases which is what these vaccination programs are for.

 

until the private corporations (profit-motivated, i might add) who manufacture the vaccines, take the damage to children like mine seriously AND do the research necessary to identify the cause AND take steps to prevent said damage - i think a responsible parent has to refuse to vaccinate. your mother's meningitis is no more important than my son's autism, so don't pull rank.

 

this is total bullshit. and i love the way you say 'investigated for professional misconduct' like it's a closed book. that's such an enlightened approach. every whistle blower is 'investigated for professional misconduct'. get real. go look up the stats for yourself instead of getting them spoon fed to you by the vaccine manufacturers and their enablers. there's been a massive increase in the number of autistic children, and this is documented. you people are going to have to stop ignoring it eventually. i suppose you or your offspring will solve the problem at some future date by gassing them all in some camp somewhere. that's how the nazis got rid of theirs.

 

Congratulations, you just proved Godwin's Law.

I did look up the stats, there's been absolutely tons of research on the issue following the MMR scare. Some of the key recent studies are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy#Recent_studies

Vaccine manufacturers, government conspiracy, nazi gas chambers, blah blah blah, do some sodding reading people. The overwhelming scientific consensus after many large scale studies is that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/347/19/1477

 

well, here's one more little factoid for you. i was THERE when my son was vaccine damaged. i watched his downward spiral which took place IMMEDIATELY following the vaccine. within hours he was horribly ill, and he never entirely recuperated. it was a horrific experience, and having unthinking, uncaring assholes on public forums everywhere dismiss our experience as unimportant and invalid pisses me off. so you can take your pseudointellectual tripe and stuff it up your ass if you don't like my opinion!

 

I'm sorry your son had an adverse reaction to vaccination, and I'm sorry he's diagnosed autistic. These are both terrible things for a parent to have to deal with. But it's simply a mistake to think that one is causally related to the other. Autism is a largely genetic developmental disorder, which happens to come to light at about the same time children are usually vaccinated. Sad though it is, the overwhelming likelihood is that he would have developed autism without having that vaccination, because it was in his genes. This is what the evidence tells us. I'm certainly not dismissing your experience, but your opinion about what happened is, simply put, probably wrong. You have my sympathies, but I'm posting about it here because it's dangerous for other people to persist in these kinds of mistaken beliefs. I have no intention of detracting from the tragedy you've suffered. But we need to follow the empirical evidence, the impartial scientific research, not listen to the mistaken beliefs of people who are not medical experts making unfounded assumptions.

I encourage anyone looking into this issue to read up on it. Look at the science. Listen to the evidence.

 

Oh now youre just taking the pissSeriously. Look Jon if or when you have a child no-one will stick their beak in when it comes to your unquestioning faith in all things medical and supposedly studied and scientific, as you shouldnt with those who choose not to vaccinate. For now, this thread doesnt look like it was started for the debate...it just asks how a parent can opt out of vaccination and the answers been given

 

The thread may not have started as a debate but it turned into one. I have an informed opinion on public health issues which I am contributing; this has nothing to do with the right everyone has to opt out of such schemes. I don't think it's a healthy situation that people should make this decision with such patent lack of understanding or misunderstanding of the science involved.

"Unquestioning faith" is such a fundamental misunderstanding and mischaracterisation of everything I've said here that I simply don't know where to begin. Empirical research is the opposite of unquestioning faith, questioning appearances is the whole fricking point...

'Taking the piss' is accusing someone of wanting to send autistic children to the gas chamber for simply pointing out what the results of a vast body of empirical research tells anyone who cares to read the studies to which I've linked... Don't believe me, don't believe any stranger on a forum, read the literature. That's all I'm saying.

 

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/howensteinwhyyoushouldavoidvaccines03feb07.shtml

 

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Dangerous misinformation, speculations and untruths totally unsubstantiated by any evidence, from a website peddling conspiracy theories. Good post! Still this is the conspiracy forum...

In depth article for health-care workers and concerned parents from the Center for Disease Control and World Health Organisation:
http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/aefi/immunization_misconceptions/en/index.html
Extract:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy#Effectiveness

 

Global statistics on vaccination uptake and related disease incidence from the WHO:
http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/data/data_regions/en/index.html

Clicking on "Global profile" gives you a nice summary globally in .pdf form, data is also available by region and by country. Disease incidence correlates in negative proportion to vaccination uptake. The effect is dramatic and obvious.

 

http://www.infowars.com/they-want-to-inject-my-kids-with-what

Please forward this to as many as you possibly can,more and more are waking up but not nearly enough!

 

I remember there was a study from Denmark (they keep a relatively comprehensive medical history of all citizens), and they found no decrease in autism between the population groups before and after they took thimerosal (a chemical suspected of causing autism that increases the shelf life of vaccines) out of all the infant MMR vaccinations. There's so many other chemicals in household cleaners and pesticides that haven't been in existence for very long that could be culprits that aren't being given much attention. I think putting all the focus on vaccinations as the cause of autism, when its pretty much been scientifically disproven as a cause (at least with MMR), isn't doing the problem justice. If it was Pfizer dong the studies (people who don't want to get sued), I'd have reason to be suspicious, but when its university studies outside this country, I don't see as much of a cause for alarm. Some people are even forming elaborate conspiracies that they're giving children autism intentionally for some anti-christ, NWO agenda to destroy America or something. I think this kind of paranoia is dangerous and over-simplifies a complex world. They used to spray people with DDT to prevent malaria and give pregnant mothers Thalidomide for their depression. They weren't trying to poison people and cause children to be born without limbs. They were really trying to solve problems, but they neglected to properly test these things for human safety, and I imagine that's probably the case with whatever's causing increased Autism rates.

Its like global warming. The engineers who created the blue prints of modernization intended to make life simpler and more comfortable through the modern conveniences their inventions facilitated, but it all had the unintended consequence of green house gas emissions from the fossil fuels that powered all of it. Most Climate scientists agree on this, and when we have propagandists on talk radio claiming that global warming is a hoax by the NWO to make us, god forbid, regulate corporations, we aren't doing a lot of good to solve the obvious collapse in the ecosystem that's occurring right in front of us.

 

I think it's all about getting information and using it.

Anyone who wants to blindly give their children whatever vaccines are suggested to them or forced upon them should look up RotaShield (and the FDA notification on RotaTeq, the currently used replacement.)

RotaShield was pulled off the US market in 1999, but not until it was used for a year, because of intussusception resulting from the vaccine. The FDA is worried about RotaTeq too now and encouraging reporting of intussusception after its administration.

I don't think there's any conspiracy regarding these. What they do show is that you should be careful what you inject into your children because sometimes the CDC, FDA, and your doctor don't realize the problems until after the vaccine is being widely used.

 

I'm still on the fence about vaccinations.

 

Don't feel like reading the entire argument right now so here's a couple of off hand comments:

Yes, it's not against the law to refuse vaccination, but CPS was called on me for just that reason. They called it medical neglect and harassed me as to my reasoning.

Some of these vaccinations may not have mercury, but they will likely contain aluminum, which is toxic to the human nervous system, despite what they (doctors) may tell you.

Many of these diseases were major problems in the past (and the present in poverty-stricken areas) due to the average level of immune system health of those inflicted. This was mostly due to lack of the funds, information and access (to fresh fruits and veggies) necessary to eat properly.

Today we have the funds, info and access we need to keep our children healthy enough to fight off diseases, if we would just stop bleaching and sterilizing everything in their path and allow them to be exposed to the world of microorganisms they live in.

And for goodness' sake, stop giving them crap cereal for breakfast.

The rant has left the building.

 

oh and while genetics can make someone more susceptible to certain things, ultimately autism is caused by environmental factors. these factors are likely quite numerous, with all of the poisons we ingest and breathe in on a daily basis. it makes sense to me, however, that we limit our intake of poison as much as possible and strengthen our bodies naturally with good food and healthy lifestyles.