Morals tend to be useful for us humans to put people in to pigeon holes. Thou salt not kill... unless you eat meat of course, or your nearest and dearest are in mortal danger from someone. Of course we will bloody well kill. One can't pretend to live by some moral code then flip it around when it doesn't suit. I have never met anyone who doesn't / hasn't, and those who say different are just plain liars.
Well said Jenny!! Does one have to be only moral? Why not decent as well? Treat others (everyone) with respect (as you would like to be treated) & the world would be a better place... just my $0.02 Happy Thanksgiving! Take care,
The bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that I get when someone else is hurting is my moral compass. I'm just selfishly trying to keep the nausea at bay.
Treat others the way you would want to be treated. By others I mean all humans and animals except that turkey I just ate, sorry Mr. Feathers
We have two reoccurring themes here that at times are expressed so as to be antithetical to each other and others not. That of selfishness being primary and the moral of avoiding doing harm to others and benefiting others when possible. Rollingalong, Jenny40 and MatteKat specifically seem to be speaking of the former. Rollingalong seems to be implying that he recognizes that he has a moral compass, but won't claim it is selfless in anyway. Jenny40, like Sleepy Caterpillar, altogether denies morals as an honest subject, while Mattekat is clear on both the basis of her morals and their selfishness. MatteKat, like Moonglow seem to be saying she has a more instinctual set of morals, and Moonglow is hesitant to even call them morals. Rollingalong says that all moral compasses are based on selflessness, but doesn't expand on his morals beyond that. Jenny and Cat, doubtlessly you both have made conscious evaluations that guide your actions. To me, those are morals, would you explain one or more of them? Rollingalong, would you explain one or more of your selfishly derived morals? Mattekat, and Moonglow, do either of you value morals being less consciously based, and more instinctual, or is this an aspect of yourselves/others that you don't appreciate?
For those who speak of the latter theme, will you explain the basis for your beliefs in it or is your belief entirely faith based (excepting Irminsul, who already mentioned she doesn't wish to)? Also, while I don't wish to argue against faith here, I would like to mention my skepticism about such broad, unspecific morals, being even remotely conceivable as guides to action, giving the abilities and limitations of even the best of people. If a moral fails to be a guide to action then I question that it is a moral at all. Basically, as well as asking for an explanation as to the root of such morals I'm asking for secondary, more specific morals that correspond to those more broad morals.
I spoke with my brother about this question today, and he put it rather succinctly and how I feel...he would never torture, sexually abuse anyone or anything, meaning any animals, either. He was strong against abuse of children and animals of any kind, like me. It is just against our nature....i took mine further.....and no, no animal will ever die at my hands unless, of course, they are attacking me, and it is either me or them.......and about morals....such a tricky word....idk...I just know when things do not feel right....an inner moral compass, I guess.
Just because you didn't adopt a moral in your brain, doesn't mean that you necessarily can't now. You need to decide if you find any logic basis for it, and if you do, then decide if you will follow that moral even should the day come where you actually don't feel like following it. In other words, you have strong emotional responses which guides your actions, but what if the emotional response were to change, would you then try to use reason rather than emotion to guide your actions? If causing harm to others no longer bothered you emptionally, would you still try not to cause harm for rational reasons?
Sometimes, I can get so angry and I want to punch someone in the face....but just because I feel that way at times, I would never do it....as my logic will step in and tell me...no can do.....
It is one thing to feel that angry and imagine doing that and another thing to acutally do that, and I just never would. working out anger only in the imagination is ok...........as long, as you do not act on it.....feelings change anyway.....anger is part of human nature. it is a natural emotion, but what one does with that makes all of the difference.
yes absolutely....I am absolutely willing to steal the weed crop of a person who I dislike but I would never steal the weed crop of a person i like and respect I am not sure if I am the best person to further this discussion....you probably shouldn't tell me your crop is