Republicans are ruining American education

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Yeah lol. Oh I knew I was right, and I knew he couldn't tell me I was wrong either. I'm pretty clued on when it comes to they grey areas.
  2. Jose C McDonald

    Jose C McDonald Members

    This is sad news. I thought that American education is very sustainable. Everyone seek to get an education in America.
  3. Melissa Dorn

    Melissa Dorn Members

    Yes, it's sad that the education system is suffering so much. Our teachers deserve high salaries, and their work is very devalued. Teachers are people who educate us on an equal footing with our parents, control our discipline and prepare us for adulthood. For example, I know that some of my teachers, in parallel with their main work at school, still worked on personal statement writer service in order to increase their income. Or they wrote essays to order. Teachers staged protests, but the situation did not change. It's better not to get their wages.
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2021
  4. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Pretty sure thats more than the starting salary for a LEO, on one hand you can say they are protecting the MOST valuable resource on the other hand one could ask if they are paid that much why not the teachers?
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Don't know what an LEO is.

    Yes, what value do we place on those protecting, educating, and raising our children?
    The number of teachers killed while protecting, educating, and raising children far out numbers those whose only charge is to protect.
    It's a sad state of affairs in our country, and the world.
    When I attended public school it was literally unthinkable for any of this to happen.
    When I taught in public schools I disarmed three students, two by talking them down, one by force, was threatened multiple times, and had students who committed or were involved in a murder and assaults including a stabbing. And all of these occurred in outstanding upper class suburban/rural districts in the state.
  6. bft4evr

    bft4evr Supporters HipForums Supporter

    Assuming a 40 hour workweek $43.00/hr is $1,720/week. $1,720.oo/wk x 52 (# of weeks in the year (not sure if the guard will work or be paid for school breaks (summer, Christmas, etc) comes to $89,440.00. That is a far cry from $130k.
  7. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    LEO= Law Enforcement Officer ie cop
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  8. nudistguyny

    nudistguyny Members

    From my experience The school system pay scale runs from Sept to early June in most cases. During the summer months that you are not working some school systems ( not including teachers ) your pay stops it is your responsibility to budget your funds to last those 2 1/2 months. Of course the local school unions have a good amount of say on how the pay scale is handled. for the different classifications of school employees. A lot of school systems will base your weekly pay on a 12 month schedule others do not. . The Armed guards are kind of a gray area as far as school unions go.
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    The figure is a quote from the school board, not me. It is for a full time and part time individual.
    These are 2018 figures, I don't know what the status is now.
    In 2015, the average teacher salary was $57,230 a year. They got a 3% raise in 2017-18 and 2.5% in 2018-2019.
    I don't know where I got the $43,000 average number.

    So I was off on average teacher pay and the fact that it was a full time and part time officer, but the I was trying to make is that teachers as a whole are underpaid, not that security guards or police officers are over paid.

    Thanks for the corrections.
  10. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Or are the security guards paid fairly BUT obviously teachers are NOT
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  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Over half of Americans insist the government and corporations they call evil lie to them for their own protection, and are usually much too liberal about these things. You can't fix stupid, but nobody ever lost money trying, which is why we have the democratic party.
  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Teachers are salaried workers not hourly employees.
    Payment is from September to June, as you stated, as that is the contracted time of service. Summers are not considered part of the pay period as teachers are unemployed by the district at that time, however unemployment cannot be collected as teachers have a self renewing contract. Yearly salary is divided into pay periods and amounts depending on the local district contract. in other words the full yearly salary is divided by pay periods and amount per year. At the end of the year full contractual payment might not have been made.
    When I first started back in '74 you had a choice of receiving your full contractual pay at the close of the school year (June) as you had already fulfilled your contract for that year and the money was due. This could be taken in a lump sum and deposited in your bank account or invested as you wish. You then had to budget you summer bills accordingly.
    Or you could have the district hold your remaining funds and issue your standard bimonthly check over the summer just as they had been doing the rest of the year. Teachers who couldn't budget their own funds took this route, those who wished to invest or build a bank account took the other.

    Then about 1976 or so the districts realized that if they held all the teachers' funds due and issued bimonthly checks over the summer they could collect interest on thousands of dollars of teachers' funds themselves and teachers no longer could receive payment for services already rendered by the yearly contract that hadn't already been paid. So in essence the school district held funds for work already done.
    I don't know if a law was changed to allow this or not.
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2021
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  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Armed guards vary from district to district and in my case even in the same district.
    Security guards can be private entities hired by the district or the district may enter into contracts with local police forces.

    If they are hired private agents they may have some connection to the teachers' union as most maintenance and clerical staff do. They have separate contracts with some tie ins with what teachers and government laws negotiate.

    If they are part of the local police force they are completely separate agreements.
    In my district we had local armed police in one high school and armed state police in another as the two schools came under different police jurisdiction. There were no armed private security personal.
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  14. DarthDva

    DarthDva Members

    New education will have mandatory education until 5th grade, everything else will be optional.

    Most of american education is of useless info of no practical use. In the New Education system, chemists will be taught chemistry. Randoms who don't wish to pursue a career of chemistry will not be taught chemistry. Why is that so hard for society to get?
    If someone wants to learn chemistry they can go and research about it online. You can learn more in one month of online education than years of high school and middle school.

    Not sure why people want to defend the useless rubbish education system. Science shows exercise and hands on learning is much more conducive to education. Yet recess is either non existent or only a short time of day. And they sit students in spinally non-ergonomic uncomfortable chairs all day, no regard to its effect on circulation or the nervous system. Drab scenery and toxic school environment and people wonder why the students are underperforming. What a farce.

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