Republicans are ruining American education

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. NotMyRealName

    NotMyRealName Members

    Yes but there is nothing in those videos that talk about the history of oppresive water. Can't be a good education.
  2. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    My sister-in-law teaches college math. She has told me that she could tell a difference in the quality of her students when the "No Child Left Behind" kids started showing up in her classroom. Many of them have never failed a course before and when the failing test grades start piling up some thought that she would 'fix' it. Several, both boys and girls, have come to her office crying. I've also seen some of these students' handwriting first hand and it's pitiful. For that matter, the handwriting of the new hires where I work is sometimes unreadable. I have recently decided to make my job a lot easier and have them rewrite the assembler checklists they hand in to me. No nun that I knew in school would let a kid get away with it, why should I?
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  3. NotMyRealName

    NotMyRealName Members

    You're gonna get sued. Discriminating against a scholastically challanged.
  4. mcme

    mcme lurker

    Sounds like someone should have taught you how to unclog a stopped up without waiting for and paying for a plumber while they were cramming your head full of the important stuff.
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  5. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    Comparing teachers and plumbers is silly. Without teachers the entire country would be composed of morons instead of only half. And without plumbers we'd all be shitting in the backyard and digging cisterns. Besides, most of us wouldn't be very good at either job. I'd be fired from my teaching profession the first day for cussing at the entitled little bastards. And I've done some 'redneck plumbing' around the house...the results were predictable.

    We pay people what they are willing to accept for the job we want done. In 2016 the median annual salary for high school teachers was $58,030. The best-paid 10 percent in the field made approximately $92,920, while the bottom 10 percent made $38,180. Meanwhile the median salary for a plumber was $51,450 in 2016. The best-paid pulled in about $90,530, while those in the bottom 10 percent earned $30,430 a year. I don't see anything outrageous about those figures. I've lived on much less.

    Anyway, I guess if I were forced to choose between the two I would be a plumber. I prefer a sanitary work environment.
  6. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

  7. NotMyRealName

    NotMyRealName Members

    I don't know about half being morons. I've come across more than one moron that has a college degree. So it might be more than half.
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2018
  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    One of the problems with truly ignorant people is that they don't realize ignorance is a problem.
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    More bullshit. So if we need plumbers it's because teachers aren't competent?

    Or wait,, they're competent, they're just being told by some shadow organization not to teach plumbing?
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    I don't call anyone. I fix it myself.
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  11. NotMyRealName

    NotMyRealName Members

    No its because we are telling students that the only way they can get ahead is to get a degree. If supposedly we are teaching open and free thinking about all things is what education is, don't leave out that there are other things to think about besides getting a college degree. There is a HUGE shortage of trades now, that didn't exist before we "improved" our educational system to place emphasis on other things.
  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Well, some are saying that. Many others aren't.

    My nephew went to a trade school to fix helicopters.
    One of my sons got a two year engineering degree and then enrolled in a SoldWorks course. He now works designing parts for custom cars...without a four year degree.

    And ya know what? Teachers taught them!
  13. NotMyRealName

    NotMyRealName Members

    I am not questioning if teachers teach.
  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Not really

    And society will judge you if you choose to be stupid sorry. Equally as interesting as my pro college stance is your extreme anti one. It can't possibly work for you.
  15. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

    Agree, instead of the goal being to get an "education" people should go to college to be educated for a specific job. Colleges are becoming factories for producing debt slaves as it's the only debt that can't be forgiven through bankruptcy.
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrong. Colleges are not vocational institutions.
    Vocational institutions are specifically for vocational training.

    The main purpose of a college is to produce a well rounded individual. That is a person with good communication skills, analytical thinking, strong moral fiber and ethics, creativity, and the ability to contribute to society by entering the workforce or a profession.
    Colleges don't necessarily train for specific jobs, although they may.

    In college you learn the skill of how to learn.
    In a vocational school you learn a skill that's required for one specific occupation.

    College debt is another matter entirely.
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  17. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

    Being well rounded doesn't necessarily lead toward repaying the nondischargeable debt. It's leading toward a whole group of people that actually have negative net worth. It was less of a problem before tuition tripled.
  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    As I said college debt is another matter.

    I believe one of the main reasons that college tuition has risen so much is because of the students themselves.
    I have no data to back this up, only my own opinion.
    But when I entered college in 1969 until I graduated five years (and many parties) later colleges were very basic compared to today.

    I lived in a dorm that was at least 50 years old. The rooms were about 12 feet by 12 feet. Just enough room for two single beds, two small built in desks and two built in closets. The room was furnished with two chairs and to desk lamps.
    We had no phones, no fans, no air conditioning, no refrigerators, no carpet, no TVs or game systems, no cooking surface or microwave, and no stereo or sound system. You could bring your own radio, but remember there were only about three outlets in the entire room.
    We had communal showers and sinks at the end of the hall. One TV and two pay phones in the lobby, a small assortment of vending machines in the snack room. That was it.

    Our student union consisted of two pool tables and some couches.
    All meals were in the dinning hall at specified times. Everyone ate at the same time. breakfast, lunch, dinner. Cafeteria style, you ate what they had or nothing. If you slept in you missed breakfast. If you missed lunch you waited for dinner. After dinner you got nothing.

    Only one classroom building had air conditioning, as it was just built. Every other building was a sweat box in the summer.
    The parking lot was made out of dirt. The college grounds were dusty in the summer, muddy in the spring, and covered in snow in the winter, the limited number of sidewalks were usually icy.

    Every now and then a movie was shown in the auditorium, it was about 75 years old.
    All sporting activities took place off campus, about 3 miles away. You could hitchhike their if you wanted to see a game.

    Today colleges invest heavily into physical structures in order to attach students. They must provide every luxury to compete.

    What my dorm room looked like:
    Here's an actual dorm room from my alma mater today:
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2018
  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    My student union building looked something like this:
    The student union building today:
  20. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

    There could be some truth to that. I went before tuition really started to skyrocket and now the campus has at least 7 new buildings.

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