Republicans are ruining American education

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Those poor teachers in Oklahoma and other red states are getting nothing. Yet the state will always find money to lure big bussiness in. Guess you don't need more than the ability to write your name and do basic math to work in the oil fields though so no one cares. Not trying to be rude to oil people maybe I am wrong but to me it seems like simple manual labor. You don't need college that is for sure unless MAYBE you are a manager and even then I bet if you just stay with the company 10 years it's a possibility.

    The long term goal seems to be 100% private schools in America. Because the big govement public schools are wasteful so why not let the free market create the best education possible. It's poppycock to think the free market solves everything. Their hate for the goverment has made them stupid.

    How can you compete in a free market if no one teaches you? Who will want to teach in these schools when salerys are shit? I would love some conservative perspective. Why are teachers or education in general not a high priority in America?
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  2. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Sad thing is this seems to be partly a deliberate strategy to sink the public schools so that public resources can be transferred to private, Christian, and charter schools via vouchers.School choice in Oklahoma - Ballotpedia
    The kids left behind in the public schools will be those riff raff and poor white trash who don't deserve better. Besides, those public schools are run by Socialists and Satanists, right? So good riddance! And gotta have those tax cuts and subsidies to attract industry and pay for new Ten Commandments monuments on public lands (and defend against the ACLU lawsuits to take them down). Only ignorance is free!
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2018
  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    They spend a lot of time worrying about Sharia law in America yet fail to see those traits in themselves. Americans are least likely to vote for an atheist than any other religion and a Jewish or Muslim guy would have a tough time but still beat the atheist. It comes down to Catholic or Protestant but the important thing is you think Jesus was a swell guy.
  5. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment

  6. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

    OP insults oil field workers. Does he fail to realize they will earn much, much more than most of these college graduates? Oh, but providing for oneself or your family is a terrible capitalist scheme. Better move into a one room micro house and be afraid that someone simultaneously farts in the kitchen/living room/bedroom.

    Does this guy live in the US? If so, why not move if it's that bad?

    I'll "gay marry" you in Canada so you can live here and quit whining like a damn child. What do you do for work by the way?
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  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    OP insults oil field workers? How so? He didn't say anything about oil field workers that I could see. He seemed to be talking about teachers and how poorly paid they are in Oklahoma. As an on- the-scenes Oklahoman, I can corroborate what he says. So can these sources. Are Oklahoma teachers the lowest paid? Nearly
    Here's why Oklahoma teachers walked out today - CNNPolitics and U.S. teachers are among the lowest paid in the developed world. US public school teachers are among the worst-paid in the developed world
    Some of those oilfield workers are salt of the earth, and we need people like that to do the grunt work. It's a shitty job, but somebody's got to do it. But for a state and a nation to succeed in the modern globalized world, we need educated people too, and to get those we need educators, and to get those of high quality we have to pay them. So what's your point? I think the fact that uneducated oil field workers "earn much, much more than most of these college graduates" is something of a scandal myself. Do you think money is the measure of individual worth? Providing for oneself and ones family is a fact of life for most of us. What is your point? You inability to formulate a coherent argument and to distinguish relevant from irrelevant facts may illustrate the educational deficiencies we've been talking about.
  8. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

    Ouch, must have hit a nerve.

    By the way, I did my undergrad in physics and am a teacher.

    Have a good day. :tonguewink:
  9. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    How about the way in which textbooks are chosen? In Texas, the state board of education decides which textbooks will be used for the entire state. Being one of the biggest buyers of school books in the US, Texas' decisions affect the entire country. The thing is that the Texas Board Of Education has become a battle-ground between fundamentalists and normal people, and Texas, being what it is, has too many fundamentalists on the board. Scary shit indeed.

    The Revisionaries | Texas Board of Education Textbook Battle | Independent Lens | PBS
  10. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

    Maybe Canadians stay out of American politics and go enjoy their universal healthcare and high quality education system (ranked 3rd in the world! ) You already have the things Americans are fighting for.
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  11. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    Being a teacher doesn't mean you know everything.
    As a teacher I would expect you to know that one of the main reasons we have an educational system is to produce intelligent free thinking citizens with critical thinking skills no matter what career path they choose.

    Many forces in the U.S. today don't want critical thinkers, they want people who agree with whatever they say. That's one reason they decry "liberal" education so much, it presents broad perspectives on the world.
    Did you view the George Carlin video?
    I suggest you read The Life and Death of the Great American School System, Diane Ravitch
    Ravitch was a U.S. Assistant Secretary of Education under Bush and Clinton.

    Last edited: Jun 14, 2018
  13. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Oil field workers earn good money for a few months then the well is capped and they are laid off. That has been the trend since the 1970s, from Texas to Montana.
  14. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    It seems to me that one problem that’s arisen in the US today (and to a lesser extent in the UK) has been a failure of education, in that over the last 30 years or so many have been taught to the exam rather than to understanding.

    I have a horrible feeloing that this has bred a large number of people that have basically not been educated to understand and have no inclination to be educated or informed.

    That and there has been a disassociation of knowledge from education, since it is basically all about ticking boxes and learning answer by rote students don’t learn to question or enquire.

    There is no importance attached to a real knowledge it is just something that gets you a mark in school, and if junk knowledge gets you a mark outside of school (praise from family or friends) then that has equal or even greater importance.

    A ‘fact’ is anything that you and the people you associate with believe to be correct and goes unquestioned and so for such people the difference between the rational and the irrational is burred.

    Now to some extent this has always been the case but this failure in the educational system and the rise of social media, meaning people can live much more with their own bubbles, has vastly exacerbated and solidified the problem.
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  15. Aerianne

    Aerianne Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    My grandkids don't even have text books. They do everything on school issued Chromebook laptops.
  16. quark

    quark Parts Unknown


    The winner of the "cut and paste answer during an interview" award goes to...

    Yes, that's true.

    I get it. Everyone is close minded.

    Yes, a few years ago (and a couple of times since then).

    Do you have anything to add to what he said or is the video your argument?

    A trend since the 1970's, you say? Hmm, I wonder if even a fraction of those "numbskulls" have realized that and found another way to bring home the bacon during the off season. Oh fuck no, they're probably way too busy typing away, ridiculing other people based on the fact that they lead a different lifestyle.
  17. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

  18. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

    I guess grunt work in the oil fields is out of the picture.
  19. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

    There will always be people better suited to manual labor and there is nothing wrong with that at all

    But that doesnt mean we shouldnt strive to improve our education system

    What point are you even trying to make? That Americans should just be happy and grateful about the dumbing down of our populace?
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  20. quark

    quark Parts Unknown

    I'm not trying to make a point. It's Hip Forums. Let's all sit around and drink Starbucks while smoking e-cigs and try to one-up each other. What a fucking life.

    Maybe Americans are just dumb and this is nature taking its course.
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2018
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