Renaming Christmas

I gotta say I respect your thinking but really this whole thing has kinda gone off of OPs original topic...

 

No body objects to your respect. Discuss what you want where you want to and you will find that in absence of trying to be polite we are all actually quite endearing after all mom usually has no problem with it.

I would like to share some congruent thinking that will show you a new respect for your own situation
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/464896-speaking-in-tongues/page-4
bottom of page easy enough reading not long and the thoughts are very appealing

 

I'm gonna bow out now. I think this thread has derailed.

 

It can't derail it can only be ignored

 

i'm a night owl. "good day" wishes offend me.

 

You may feel offended.

 

yes, isolated incidents do happen everywhere. INCLUDING the u.s. (and not all of these you mention are entirely unreasonable either) none of which invalidates my point. i'm not saying the u.s. is the worst place on the planet either, not by a very long way indeed. i'm simply pointing out this does not make it so uniquely wonderful as it would like us to pretend it to be either. no place is. we are all different. and being all different; different places can be and are, more comfortable to different people.

-----------------

back to the point of this thread, midwinter holiday celebrations are a LOT older then christianity.

 

good morning! Have a great day!

 

Christmas comes after the winter solstice. Could it be that the religious rituals that take place around that time could be correlated to celebrating the days getting lighter?

 

higher

 

that and more then that, that the days when seeds can be planted and natural foods can again begin to be harvested. so that the strict rationing required to survive the winter can be relaxed for one day of feasting, and of course sharing and socializing.

 

so precisely what the hell does that have to do with christerism?

i do believe that was the point. that it neither naturally nor after the fact, has to have a damd thing to do, with any one religious belief.

 

Well, that the date was picked because it is around the winter solstice and that christmass still holds pre-christian traditions was already an established conclusion so that's why I posted that no shit sherlock But all these things do not change the fact that our societies have this holiday christmas for centuries because it is linked to the christian religion. That the date was and still also is the winter solstice does not change that. You can not say it has not a damned thing to do with a religous belief unless to proclaim it out of wishful thinking. It just is the case.

It's like you are arguing that it can not be what it is because it was something else before and there are still aspects of that in it. Well, it was something else before and we can still find elements of it in our christmas traditions, sure, but that does not take away of the fact why we have been cultivating it in our societies for more than 1000 years: which is to celebrate the birth of christ.