Remember when?

The Million Dollar Movie
The Millionaire
Now we have billion dollar movies....

 

Funny, it's the American Oligarchic Heirocracy that is spoiled beyond reason ....while the rest are hungry or one pay check from the street .

 

My Mother and Aunt, were friends of Delores Huerta, back then a UFW organizer, she was their in LA, when RFK was killed, in fact she spent the night at out house in LA after it happened.
I was four, she came in crying in shock .... I stuck with me for life.

 

America land of the free! meaning men were free.
Now day; America land of the free, free food, free housing, free health care, free to break laws, and anything else they can think of.

 

Who is they?

 

Whoa really?

Where in America is this happening? I'll move there!

 

Do you realise that we have all been conned.

Unless asbestos is ground into a powder and inhaled into your lungs, it is completely harmless.
Until the last few decades, the London underground was grinding 6 ton of asbestos a year into the tunnels (The train brakes). Not a single driver or member of staff suffered any ill affects.

The scare started in South Africa, when people around the asbestos mines started dying. The towns in the area were covered in white dust and people were sweeping it off their cars every day like snow.
If the plant had been milling flour, assuming that it did not blow up within a couple of weeks, thousands of people inhaling the dust, would have been dying from septicaemia.

 

Tell that to the thousands of shipworkers and others who installed and worked with asbestos and came down with lung disease and died. RIP Roger!

The fibers get caught in the lung and do damage over time. It's not instantaneous, it can take decades for the damage to kill. And the tracking of those who got the disease has been a perfect case study.

Why do you even care? You need to do more research before making these claims. Were you personally harmed by people who claimed they were harmed by asbestos? Sounds like your government has done a better job of covering it up.

Companies shelled out hundreds of millions in compensation, and you can believe they wouldn't do that if nobody was hurt.

 

Or the injury lawyers did a better job in the US...

 

Btw, there are 3 different kinds of asbestos fibers, one isn't that harmful like the others.

 

What you say is true, but the deaths were caused by fibres entering the lungs while spraying the insulation. In shipbuilding, this was spraying brown asbestos to lag the boilers, calorifiers and associated pipework. In food, it was caused by chunks of asbestos falling off the plant into the product being processed. Other insulating material used at the time, would have caused the same, if not worse damage.
Their were no recorded cases of asbestosis in south Africa, prior to the mining and processing of the material, to manufacture wall and roof boards.

My London base theatre had 30 tons of asbestos, for internal fire separation. This led to a 10 year study and the start of the Idendon cross polymer sealing process.
During this time, tests were carried out weekly and we discovered that from the start, asbestos levels were around 60% lower (due to our normal air filtration) than in the roads outside where vehicle brakes were churning it out.

Their is no doubt that risks were high during the buildings construction, but about the same as with fibreglass.
My point was that in situ asbestos does not present a danger, but the scaremongering without the full facts caused more risks than it saved during removal. This was proven several times. Like the railways, their have been no cases of asbestosis among theatre engineers.
I fully support the use of alternative brake materials, but replacing boilers due to a small fixed asbestos ring on the burner, is nothing more than a money making scam. British Gas, have now approved me to certify these boilers after proving that no fibres are released from the burner.
During demolition of buildings and ships containing asbestos, great care is needed, but once again it has become a money making scam.

I hope that I have helped to clarify the situation.in the real world today. Needless to say, I have the greatest sympathy for people who were put at risk during the period of greed and ignorance.

 

The company who shelled out all the money was Cape asbestos SA. I have seen both details and photographs of their mine and processing plant. The recipients of the compensation deserved every penny, if not more.
Their greed destroyed an entire area of the country, that is still sealed off today.

 

Fiberglass is way different than asbestos and again there are different types mined in different regions. So unless you're breaking down each incident by type of asbestos, your assertions are meaningless.

 

The danger is real and people just didn’t know. Libby , Montana is a case in point. Vermiculite is an asbestos like mineral that was mined for years at Libby. Now, 45 or 50 years later the true cost is painfully apparent. At the time they said it was safe and it was piled everywhere, spread in gardens, kids played in it, and trains carried it to market. I put it in one wall of our lower level in our house in Missoula, Mt as a below grade insulation. Greenhouses used it in potting soil. For many years I had a chunk of the vermiculite ore sitting on my desk in the Forest Service Regional office in Missoula. And I know unfortunate coworkers who lived in Libby.

And now thousands of people in the relatively small Kootenai County are struggling with mesothelioma….it’s no joke. Kids who played in the discarded pile of mesothelioma inducing vermiculite got it. Even the train crews who hauled it to market are suffering from Mesothelioma.

And there’s a political component. W R Grace owned the mine….remember J Peter Grace RR s right hand capitalist dude….and faced with a huge liability from mesothelioma they responded in a time honored capitalist way, they declared bankruptcy. Now BNSF railroad is facing an investigation and lawsuit. The railroad is owned by Warren Buffet.

And the same kind of ugly legacy played out in the Puget Sound shipyards and the companies that manufactured fire resistant ceiling tile and flooring and motor vehicle brakes. The only con game is the jostling to avoid liability. The reality is even more horrifying than could have ever been imagined.

 

Here's some facts...
Asbestos exposure is the No. 1 cause of work-related deaths worldwide.
More than 39,000 American lives are lost to asbestos-related disease every year.
About 1.3 million U.S. workers are potentially at risk of exposure at their workplaces.

 

When I was active in the roofing trade and I was taking a torn off load of asbestos roofing to the dump, I was told at the dump facility that I could dump non friable asbestos ( which covered roofing material) but not friable. Earlier in my working life, I worked with a friend at Standard oil and he quit Standard to start work in a newly operating asbestos mine. He died a few years later from asbestosis.

 

Biden just banned vermiculite mining in the US last month!

Let's remember the subject of the thread. Thanks for reminding me about my dead friend Roger...and the endless corporate malfeasance in the world.

And although asbestos mining is now banned in the West, Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe still mine it, and we know those countries have very high standards of worker and consumer safety.