You do a great job of looking at only what you want to. The 14th verse refers to David's seed that will build the Lord's house (verse 12). Solomon. Solomon didn't fail in his obligation, yet at his death the kingdom fell. Verse 10 prophecises the Jews will never have to move again, as well. The only way to make this prophesy work is to bend the definition of "house", "seed" and "kingdom" to refer to something different at each instance used. When it takes a 200 page document to explain 12 sentences; there's a problem. If I applied the same rules you're going to have to use to validate this prophesy to Nostradamus... then Nostradamus was 100% accurate, and a true prophet of God. Metaphore's invalidate prophesy, that's what makes so many of the Bible's prophecies special. This one, though, was wrong.
Actually if you look at verse 12. It is telling David that all of this will happen after David is dead. 12. And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. This is a future prophecy, and was not to be fullfilled in David's time. Which is clearly pointed out in this verse.
I know what it's saying. Look at the combined verses, it's real simple. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. who is David's seed that builds a house for the lord? Solomon, of course. Then we go to 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: Solomon didn't commit iniquity, but if you want to get all metaphorical and say that "he" is actually a metaphore for the line of David, then you have to deal with: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. so their kingdom shouldn't have been destroyed anyway, and the Jews shouldn't have had to deal with the opposite of 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, which of course happened immediately following Solomon's death. Both the Babylonians and the Assyrians (the very "children of wickedness") came and wiped them out. Again, making Biblical prophesy into metaphorical prophesy is a double edged sword. Every prophet that ever lived can be proven true if you start reading into the words too much.
AND YOU DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYONE AFTER SOLOMON THAT WAS A SEED OF DAVID.... DOES JESUS RING A BELL?? Psalm 132:11 The LORD has sworn in truth to David; he will not turn from it: "I will set upon your throne the fruit of your body. Jeremiah 23:5-6 "Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Rom 1:3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, - The Lord "swore" this promise to David that his seed would rule the earth. - The fruit of David’s body was referring to his seed, which was Jesus Christ. - David’s "branch" refers to his offspring and is the Hebrew word "tsamech". - God’s promise in the Old Testament was always that He would one day bless all nations through one man who would be of the family of king David. - The Bible reveals that this offspring of David would be a "great King", he would "live forever", and establish a kingdom "that would never end." - 2 Sam 7 reveals that through David's family would come a line of kings, culminating in One "Eternal King" whose kingdom would never pass away. -Matthew’s genealogy traces the lineage of Christ back to King David. - The King referred to in Jer 23 is Jesus, He is to reign, and prosper, execute judgment and righteousness. Judah (the Jews) will be saved and Israel will have peace. - "The LORD our Righteousness" in Hebrew is Yahweh (Jehovah) Tsidkenu. http://www.bible-history.com/messianicprophecy/MESSIANICPROPHECYThe_Seed_of_David.htm
Don't like your views being challenged much, eh? This is my last post on this, as I know for certain that you're going to bend prophesy to make it fit. Using metaphores, any prophesy can be interpretted as truth. But... It's obvious when reading the entirety of that prophesy, that the "house" being referred to is the Holy Temple, not "Heaven". Solomon builds the temple, and it was destroyed. Solomon was David's son, directly, coming from David's bowels, almost literally. Nor did Jesus establish a permanent kingdom for his people where they weren't persecuted. The Jews remained persecuted under Roman rule even after Jesus died, with no land to call their own. So the prophesy still fails. The second temple, which was still there during the time of Jesus, was destroyed after his death. That Temple was the "house" of the Lord.
Edited this post to near-non-existentness for being ridiculously offending. My apologies. I'm not having a good day.
The bible clearly talks about Gods temple to come, and Solomon's temple measurement are way to small. God's everlasting temple is measured in miles, not in feet. You are jumping the gun on this prophecy. God's everlasting temple is number 4. The Jews must build a third temple, and even this one will not be God's temple. God's Son in this prophecy is not Solomon. God's Son who will build the everlasting temple is Jesus Christ.
Your statement that Solomon did not commit iniquity is also incorrect. Consider what the bible states concerning him in 1 Kings 11:6. Solomon did that which was evil in the sight of Yahweh, and didn't go fully after Yahweh, as did David his father.
I love my views challenged.... it makes me really think what I believe. Last post eh? ..... hate being wrong? Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life if you accept it.
I just wanted to share my take on the New Testament, and see what you think. Not as a challenge, since I do not claim that you are wrong, in fact, it is my strong belief that although we disagree, we are both right. Here goes. I believe Jesus wed Mary Magdalene, and the water to wine wedding is His. I believe that he did not die on the cross, but was 'knocked out' by the sop, and taken down well within a reasonable time to survive. I believe He was nailed to the cross by Romans for trying to become the King of Israel, and doing well at it. I believe He had children, and that His descendants very likely live today. I believe that John, the disciple, was a woman, and that her gender was changed by patriarchally obsessed church fathers. I believe Judas was likely His most trusted disciple if he did in fact betray Him to the Romans as per Jesus' orders. I believe He was not from Nazareth, but instead was a Nazorean. I believe that He did live, contrary to two quite well-researched books that argue convincingly He was a fictitious character, and a fellow named Josephus created the whole story to curry favor with Rome. I stress, this is what I believe, and is not a challenge. It would take a long time to justify why I believe each point, so forgive me if I do not. I have that luxury since I am not trying to convince anyone else that my belief is the 'right' one.
No we don't have to worry about barbarian tribes. Just nuclear missiles that can be over every American city in 18 minutes.
Yea its very true we could be Babylon of the bible. History does repeat itself, and yes we are alot like Rome. We did follow their ideals of a Republic, and we are a truly materialistic society as was stated before. Yet we aren't Empire builiding like the Romans, through war and physical gains. Instead we are doing it financially. Our internal corruption is much more devastating today than it was 1000 years ago however. I guess if you wanna call us Rome then the question to take into thought is has our "pax Romana" allready passed us by?
People have been comparing America to Rome for decades, heralding the fall of a great empire. Nothing has ever come of it. We'll get through this time, and in fifty years, they'll still be saying the country's in a decline...
Why do you think that the past success of America is any indication of the future? The global trends indicate that America will NOT remain the sole superpower. Within ten years, China's economy will be bigger than ours, and within twenty they'll have military parity. While the European Union is not yet a formidable force, if they establish some kind of government they may become our equals as well. If I had to guess, I would say that America won't remain the sole superpower for any more than ten years, and America (under the current Constitution with the same borders) won't exist at all for more than another hundred.
our country has been in "decline" for a long time. At the End of WW2, we accounted for something like 50% of the worlds economy. We are now like 26%. Would anyone NOT argue that America is now stronger than when we were in the 40's, 50's, 60's etc when we had a bigger share of the worlds economy? Kandahar, where on earth are you getting your numbers that china will have a larger economy in 10 years? What is the economy based on? GDP? I'd like to see a source for that. A source for the military one too.
