Remember Rome?

Discussion in 'The Future' started by Devocet, Nov 10, 2004.

  1. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    What does that have to do with anything?
     
  2. SingflowerCat

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    Give me a fucking break.

    Christianity has a lot of corruption in it and I generally find that often Christians are the most rude, intolerant, holier-than-thou hypocrits, but Satanists? Pahhaha.

    You really think that most leaders in the Evangelical fundamentalists community are having secret "satan" ceremonies behind some mysterious closed doors? Nope, they're just stupid, judgementa, rigid, blind people, not satan worshippers.
     
  3. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    yes i remember rome
    the christers took over and it went to hell in a handbasket
    not that there was anything all that wonderful about it
    to begin with

    i'd rather remember minoen crete and what could have
    would have should have been but for the unathorised medling
    of renigade time travelers

    or mohenjo daro, anybody else remember that place?

    not that i was here then
    but i read the reports

    its all about people refusing to connect the dots
    and then inventing nontangable excuses for deceiving themselves
    about refusing to.

    not that the nontangable can't exist or doesn't
    but no matter how much it may love us and wish us well
    and i feel as strongly as anyone that there is something
    that does, it is still the incentives collectively creatied
    by the individual priorities we DON'T think about,
    the ones beliefs try to tell we don't need to worry about,
    that make the everyday life we individualy experience what
    it is.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  4. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Well the people that were wrong did not look at these prophecies...
    Christ's parable of the fig tree is the most revealing Scripture concerning the time of Christ's return. It actually pinpoints the generation of people living on earth just before Christ appears. In the Bible, the fig tree is a historic symbol of the nation of Israel. The parable speaks of the fig tree putting forth leaves. Many theologians believe this is a clear reference to the rebirth of Israel. If that is true, then we are the generation that will witness the physical return of Jesus Christ. Since Israel declared itself a nation in 1948. What the parable is telling us is the following: The generation born in the year 1948 would not pass away. In other words, when Jesus Christ returns some people will still be alive on the planet who were born in the year 1948.

    With only a few realizing it, the world will soon be entering the third day of God. In the Old Testament in the book of Hosea, there is a key verse often overlooked. It states, "After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight" (Hosea 6:2). Before Christ rescues His people from the planet, the Bible says He will resurrect the bodies of His servants that died in the past. "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). After Christ died, He was resurrected on the third day. According to Hosea 6:2, God will call the dead in Christ from out of their graves on the third day. Christ then will rescue His people that are alive on earth. Now, here is where things start to get interesting. The Bible gives us two time references speaking of this event. These two references are found in the Old and the New Testaments and are totally independent of each other. Yet, both of these references appear to converge at the same time in the future. However, God's two days are not 24-hour days. God's days are much longer than ours as explained in II Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." To illustrate, Christ was resurrected in the year 33 A.D. If the passage of 2000 years equals two days in God's time, then the end of the two days will be in the year 2033. The third day thus will start in the year 2034. Although 2034 may or may not be the exact year Christ returns, His coming must be very close. For you see, the generation that was born in the year 1948 will be 86 years old in 2034. It was Jesus who said in Matthew 24:34 that this generation would not pass away until all end-time prophecies would be fulfilled.
     
  5. Kandahar

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    How do you know that THIS is the one time Christ was referring to? Israel has "put forth leaves" many times in the past. It might be destroyed in the future and declare independence AGAIN, and maybe Christ was referring to THAT generation of people.

    Besides, "putting forth leaves" doesn't necessarily mean declaring independence. Maybe it means a time of prosperity, which could be just about any time.

    That's very likely true, but it has more to do with modern medicine than with stupid religious prophecies.

    That's pretty vague, because as you correctly said, the generation born in 1948 might not die at all. By the end of this decade, medicine will be increasing the average lifespan by more than one year per year. In other words, indefinite lifespans. So maybe the generation alive in 1948 will witness your god's return, but it won't happen for another 5,000 years. This end-is-nigh talk is just silly. What makes you think that YOU know something that all the other doomsday prophets didn't?
     
  6. campbell34

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    The bible clearly teaches that once the Jews return to Israel they will never be driven from the land again. And the bible states that when they return they will take Juda first which is the south half of Israel first, which they did in 1948, and they will retake Jerusalem second which happened in 1967. The bible also states that when Christ returns, the Eastern Gate that leads to the temple mount will be sealed. As it turns out, the Eastern Gate has been sealed up for 400 years. The prophecy also states that the gate will remained sealed until Christ returns. The Moslems found out about the prophecy and twice tried to break the prophecy by smashing through the gate, but on both attempts they failed. In 1917 when they tried to smash down the gate and on the very day they were going to do it the British took over control of Jerusalem. Then in 1967 they were going to try again but this time and again on the very day they were to break through the gate the Jews marched into Jerusalem and the moslems had to flee. Today the gate remains sealed as the prophecy said it would, and it's opening will only occure when Jesus Christ returns. The bible also states that in the day Christ returns, nations would have the power to destroy countries and cities in one hours time.
     
  7. Kandahar

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    So hypothetically, if something happens that the gate is broken (say, by a suicide bomber) and the world DOESN'T end that day, you will renounce your faith and admit that the Bible was incorrect?

    Of course you wouldn't. You'd find some way to rationalize it, like every other doomsday prophet.
     
  8. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Epiphany
    Well, the Mayans were wrong about the date being 2012


    I like the Mayan date. Sorry Epiphany. I would never state emphatically that they are right. It must be nice to know for sure.
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    The Piri Reis map

    The Great Pyramid of Egypt

    The Peruvian Monoliths

    The Mexican, and Central American monoliths and pyramids.

    The complex of Angkor Wat

    Stonehenge

    Malta's Monoliths

    The Nazca Plain giant animal constellations.

    The vedas

    Native American Prophecies, (just as clear, if not more so than the good book), which point to now too.

    The Mayan Calendar, a masterpiece of natural, earth based numbers, that is more in tune with the planets cycles and rhythms than the modern one.
    These TANGIBLE, measurable, comparable, researchable, material things are worth a peek.

    I peeked, and Giza is the one to really do an indepth analysis of. The harder you look, it becomes more clear, the harder to replicate it today, it is.
     
  10. JesusDiedForU

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    I would... I have been saying that right along.... If someone really wants to prove the Bible wrong (and there is a lot of people that do) all they would have to do is knock down the gate. If they gate is knocked down and Jesus does not walk through... then I will stop believing in God.... but remember the Bible has not failed any of its prophecies and i don't plan on this one being broken.... the gate still stands and so does my faith!
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i'm affraid this matter of 'prophesie' is all too often in retrospect. that is to say, given any collection of sufficiently diverse gobbledy gook, reguardless of how self contradictory it may or may not be, anything that happens can be interpreted as having been predictied in it. while this applies to the bible, the khoran, and other sacred text, it applies equaly to even more questionable sources such as the urantia book, the truely incohierent mutterings of nostradamus, and ever the premeditatedly satyrical writings of robert antoine wilson.

    so please spare us the prophesy as 'proof' pretense.

    i can and do believe in a great many things, for example that there are more different kinds of things, nontangable ones included, then anyone ever has, will or can even begin to immagine, that there is more to everything then what we see when we look at it, even that yes there might very well be something greater then ourselves that loves us and wishes us well.

    but i fail to see the slightest rational indication that any nontangable force or being has bugger all to do, with the harm WE are directly, observably, causing by refusing to connect the dots.

    whatever gods, governments or anything else see fit to exist.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  12. JesusDiedForU

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    I can tell just by your response you have never looked into the Bible prophecies....
     
  13. Burn

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    I agree with themnax. Everything that has happened has been of our own accord. We have to take responsibility for our actions. However that's not to say there could have been individuals in the past who were able to see into the future, and predict what may come about. Personally I have begun to think that civilizations such as the Mayans, were able to see the 'future' because of the way they viewed time - as circular, and not a definite lateral. They saw patterns in things, and I think they got it right up to 2012. What's it mean?

    I think one day we'll understand the patterns in existence, time and life - maybe not totally, but far better than we do today.

    As far as Rome goes... Yes, I do see a resemblance to the United States today. We are a superpower, they were a superpower. We conquered and controlled in the name of 'liberty', Rome did so believing they were the light of the ancient world.

    (Even if you do not believe the United States has not conquered and controlled in modern times, how do you think we have stretched our borders from the docks of New York City to the shores of California? There -were- people in between those two places... where are they now?)

    Modern barbarians? I guess they can be compared to the terrorists - they don't like the way we in the US do things, and neither did the barbarians to Rome. So they plundered, pillaged and spread terror to the Roman people. Once Rome was too withered, corrupt, complatient and in a state of economic depression - the barbarians stormed through, and Western Rome fell.

    That part of history hasn't repeated yet. I can't see terrorists storming the streets of NYC and taking over Federal Hall or something like that... Or Washington DC for that matter... No, I think if there is going to be a collapse in modern times, it will be similar but different. Perhaps an internal conflict? Who knows... It's all speculation based on the repeated history we learn about... All we can really do is watch carefully and keep an open mind to the world today.
     
  14. fulmah

    fulmah Chaser of Muses

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    themnax's response was quite enlightened, actually. I can tell from the combination of all of your posts that it's you that haven't looked at anything other than the Bible prophesies, and even with those you're incorrect. There are many, many Bible prophesies that were correct, but there are quite a few that were glaringly wrong. You never acknowledge those when they're pointed out, though.
     
  15. BlackGuardXIII

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    2944 days, or so.....
     
  16. Epiphany

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    After the antichrist takes reign, we have seven years. "Times, and times and times and a half". 3 1/2 + 3 1/2 = 7 years.
     
  17. JesusDiedForU

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    Give me one.....
     
  18. fulmah

    fulmah Chaser of Muses

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    I have. You always ignore them every time they're posted. But we'll stick with just one, per your request.

    2 Samuel 7: 5-17

    It's wrong. The prophet Nathan prophecized that David's kingdom would never have to move and would last forever. It didn't. There were no conditions.
     
  19. JesusDiedForU

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    The 14th verse says that God would do all those things IF the Jews followed him--which they didn't. God never gave the Jews a blank check, He game them a choice.... and they made a bad choice. Jesus is the fulfillment of the line of David which lasts forever. The kingdom was moved because of the sin of the Jews.
     
  20. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    Give up man. You can't argue with these kinds of believers. They are not open to suggestions.
     

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