Remember Rome?

Discussion in 'The Future' started by Devocet, Nov 10, 2004.

  1. cobcottage

    cobcottage Member

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    I doubt the planet will be able to sustain the human population if things keep going the way they are.

    I like the idea of simply "walking away" from this society. It can be done from within our borders, you don't have to buy into it...you really don't.
     
  2. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    It comes down to far more than our leader. It's the whole way people think. America may not fall, but it is changing. It's like we're moving toward a fascist state, with big business in control. The pharmecutical industry already controlls the FDA and is damn close to having a monopoly on health care in this country. According to them, the only way to prevent or cure disease is with drugs and or surgery. Natural, herbal, holistic cures? Don't exist, and anyone who says they do is censored or jailed for practicing medicine without a liscence...and guess who gives out the licences? That's just one (major) example. Big business is taking over. And it's not just the elites who are corrupt. People buy into this idea of monetary gain so much that they forget about everything else. I hate to sound like an evangelical (cuz I'm not a Christian), but it's too materialistic, and the fact that there's no spirituality (morals included) spells certain doom for our country...at least that's how I see it.

    There are definite similarities to Rome and it's fall, I've thought about it myself, many times. But there are also great similarities to Germany in the interwar period. Putting those two together, along with the growing stress of our unsustainable lifestyles on the planet, and we're heading for major calamity. I think we are going to be living through some very "interesting" times...
     
  3. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    "Natural, herbal, holistic cures" is a PC way of calling them what they really are - quack medicine. Most of those "cures" have NO medicinal merit whatsoever, and the few that do quickly become more effective pharmaceutical drugs. It's not a conspiracy; while I may not agree with all of the FDA's decisions, they're based in science.
     
  4. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    WoW.... that is so true.... Babylon is literally America in the Bible.... most people thought that Rome was the Babylon right after John had written Revelation and today many people still think Rome is babylon but it is not.... the descriptions do not fit Rome... only America and she will fall

    Fallen, Fallen! Babylon the Great! Revelation 18:2


    http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon
     
  5. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Actually the descriptions in the bible pretty accurately fit rome. But that is beside the point.

    I thnk that every super-power falls in time. History tells us that. I think America will fall (as a super-power) a lot more quickly because the world is a much more competitive place than it was thousands of years ago. We are so stuck up on morals and petty issues that we are falling behing economically, technologically, and scientifically. Plus we grew to be a super-power so fast that I expect our decline would be pretty fast as well.
     
  6. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Sera michele please you do not know the descriptions of the Bible
     
  7. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    No, they're based in the fact that the FDA is basically staffed with people from Big Pharm. A lot of those drugs get passed through only because the people pushing them have the money in the first place to get them tested. Only drugs that are going to make a ton of money are worth pushing through that expensive system, but herbal remedies are too cheap to make it worth it; you'd never even break even by selling an approved herb. The system here is totally bullshit.

    And herbal remedies don't work? Humans have used them for tens of thousands of years (~99.5% of our existence) and got by alright. Plus, there is the placebo effect, which proves that the mind is a big player in healing. You can take a sugar pill and be cured if you believe it. Modern science totally discredits that idea. Know why? There's no profit in it.
     
  8. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    You are so right BTM.
    If it can't be patented, they will do their best to discredit it.
    Ozone treatment is a perfect example....
     
  9. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    I agree that it's not fair that less popular drugs never even see the marketplace. Personally I wouldn't mind if the FDA was disbanded entirely, and a handful of basic health laws replaced it. What I take issue with is the idea that the FDA makes decisions that are not based in science. Of all the government agencies, I give the FDA a lot of credit for standing up to the big pharmaceutical companies when their drugs need more research.

    And there's a reason that most herbs wouldn't make any money: because they don't work. But hey, I'm all for letting them hit the marketplace and die a quick death from competition with REAL drugs. I agree that the FDA doesn't need to regulate them.

    If you consider living to age 30 - usually with a lot of chronic illnesses - to be "getting by alright," then please stay away from my medicine. :)

    Actually, every time a drug goes up for FDA approval, the company is REQUIRED by law to test how it compares to a placebo. I don't know where you get the notion that big, bad, corporate-owned "modern science totally discredits the idea." Quite the opposite, actually.
     
  10. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Well you have far more faith in the pharmaceutical giants than I.
    Their lobbyists are continually working the political front in order to gain favour for their 'medicines', and to have potentially successful non-patented options either banned, stalled or just defamed.
    This happened with ozone therapy, which I know for an absolute certainty from numerous face to face testimonials, is a very powerful curative substance.
    It was banned in the early part of the 20th century after extensive lobbying by the burgeoning pharma industry.
    Other nations use it extensively, such as Germany and Cuba.
    And it is extremely easy to administer safely, with not one recorded death that I know of from its use, which is something the drug therapies cannot say, about any drug, I believe.
     
  11. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Considering I went to a baptist school for 12 years, I know very well the descriptions from the bible. It's really funny how christians think that if you don't agree with them you don't know anything about the bible. I believe what I believe BECAUSE I have studied the Bible very intensely, not the other way around.

    Had I just blindly believed everything I was told I would likely still be a christian.

    In fact, you are in Michigan, right? You may know of the school I attended...Faith Baptist School in Davision, MI

    They got a great soccer team. Well they used to, I haven't kept up with them in years.
     
  12. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    As far as Rome, during the end, the Holy Roman Empire will be revived, as they play both a religious and political part, however, we shall all suffer the end times. The entire world, not just Rome.
     
  13. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    Uhh
    Where do you come up with this stuff? There's nothing about the Holy Roman Empire in the Bible, as it didn't even exist at the time of the New Testament. Besides, why would your god care which of our little governments was in power?

    Or has God personally told you all of this?
     
  14. campbell34

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    According to the bible the generation that would see the Jews retake Israel and retake Jerusalem will see the end of time as we know it. Christ will return to this world. Much trouble ahead, especially the next 30 years. America is targeted for destruction. The bible states that all are cities will burn and our nation will come to her end in one hours time.
     
  15. campbell34

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    Well I used to go to a Baptist church myself, I was so happy when I left that place. Yet the more I read the bible the more I realized how true it is. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident Sera, big things coming on the horizon. America is going to be targeted by the nations that hate us. It's all part of God's bigger plan.
     
  16. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    :eek:

    I have heard some not so great things from former Baptists in my church
     
  17. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    What I meant to say is that you do not know the descriptions of Babylon... my bad.

    What I am trying to say about Babylon is that most church people and even most theologians don't even know the Babylon prophecies... or consider what they are... and if they do... most will reject it the true meaning

    An email I got from the Author of America, The Babylon explains it well:

    "In no way, will the ruling elite leadership of the church in America admit or agree that America is Mystery Babylon. Why? Pride, arrogance, blindness and for some - the fact that they are not Christians but
    Satanists masquerading as Christian believers and they are leaders in the Evangelical, fundamentalist community... all denominations are swept up in it."
     
  18. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Most churches don't even have a clue. Some churches hardly even speak about it. Pretty sad.
     
  19. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    Aren't there any people here interested in the future who aren't Jesus Freaks? Ugh.

    Moshe Dayan has been dead for 20 years. David Ben-Gurion has been dead for 30 years. Albert Einstein has been dead for nearly 50 years. Face it, the generation that retook Israel is long since dead. The "end of time" didn't happen.

    Now I know you'll come up with some sort of rationalization as to why this is, but you know as well as I do that your book was simply WRONG. Like every other the-end-is-nigh cult in history, you'll simply continue pushing back the date of the apocalypse every time you are proven wrong.
     
  20. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    Well, the Mayans were wrong about the date being 2012
     

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