Religous Veiws

This process does not necessarily allow you to be enlightened, It is just a process of 'finding' the enlightened state that was already in you.

Your scenario: Body + Mind + Unenlightened soul = Human. Human - Mind = Body + Enlightened soul.

My scenario: Body + Mind + Enlightened soul = Human. Human - Mind = Body + Enlightened soul.

Also, Do you think that only humans 'can become enlightened'?

 

I think what he wants to say is the mind can limit the way you experience the world. Brains are powerful, but we only use 5% of them on a daily basis. Someone can be limitated in his perception of reality by his mood, knowledge, mental health, level of intelligence, sensorial limitation or mental handicap. When you connect to your inner core, your soul, you have no more boundaries. Your soul is free of all the limitations your mind have. You can then experience things you wouldn't, or couldn't, with your usual perception of reality. Call it enlightment if you want, I'd compare it to opening the door to a whole new world with infinite possibilities.

 

Ok, but you still haven't answered this question: how do you know that?

Because anything you can experience is by definition not outside this universe, and therefore anything you can point to and say "that is outside", is actually something inside the universe, since you've experienced it, and you are inside this universe, and everything you experience is inside this universe. Like, you need a cosmic MAOI to pierce that space-time barrier and allow your molecular self to interface with the Great Multiverse Synapsae, and I know not of such a lubricant, fluid enough to allow anything of yours, even pure awareness, whatever that even is, to "go outside" the thing that it is (THAT is the one thing i have learned from psychs, that i AM that, so when you try and tell me you've seen/been "outside" THAT, I am just confused, because then I assume you are just learning of the impossible vastness of THAT, and not understanding its all ONE, and not other, even if its other to your mind. but that is not saying much, if something is other to your mind, because tons of things are, like the awareness of a ladybug or any arbitrary thing you don't yet "know".). really its all so silly, both our sides of this discussion, neither of us knows anything, and our categories are arbitrary and 99% a function of tradition. monkeys feeling holy.

Most of what I've experienced on things like DMT are so far beyond language that our disagreement largely stems from your choice of labeling them as "extra dimensions" instead of just, well, not labeling them. Things like telepathy, multi-dimensional beings, aliens, cosmic buddhafield, whatever, are all just words to point to something that is so outside the mundane life we are normally aware of that we must conjure audio symbols which are *supposed* to somewhat capture what we mean, but really all we can do from smoking DMT together is look at each other and nod, and that nod is the nod of a fool . Look what our butchering of mundane reality into language has caused around us, it has resulted in the "conquest" of nature, and in all the self-destructive behaviour you can point to, so just understand that my whole point is just "Ok, but please at least spare THIS part of reality/existence/whatever from the clumsy knife of language", since we confuse our throat noises and head movies for the very bloody thing itself. I'm even doing it now! I speak of a "thing", an "experience", a "reality" which I don't want you to name, and to tell you this I must name it. Better to just not post in your threads, but maybe I can make your language collapse on itself like a house of cards if I keep throwing my own on top of yours.

I know you have been to the place beyond and before language, so I just want to know why you try and translate it to language. You lose so much, you cause so much confusion and hubbub and swirls and eddies in the field, which is all fine and good and fun, and I am enjoying this thread, and this discussion with you, and my being is experiencing pleasure from typing this response, but at the end of the day we should burn our holy books to warm our bodies, you know?

Come to the level of self-reflection where you truly ask yourself the question "why does my worldview resemble that of a western epic; a story, a videogame, etc". See that you are filtering reality through a rubric of event which has been handed to you as template for reality, without basis.

Even science is against you here; science will tell you that there are many, many dimensions, yet all in this universe. There *may* be "other" universes, but here even language fails because you are dealing with things which are no longer seperable. If there are other universes, what exactly seperates them from ours? Anything you point to will not do, as it is not found "between" universes. I'm sure we actually agree on all this, but your choice of language is too low-resolution for what sorts of things you're trying to discuss. I don't mean in the sense that you're not being flowery enough or you need to work on your vocabulary, not at all. That is in fact the opposite of what i mean. you are being too je ne sais quoi. Too dogmatic. "I have been to other dimensions", look at that sentence. If you really look into it, you will see that you come to a complete and utter full stop, system failure, from the very first word in it.

I've rambled here and repeated myself a lot, do you understand where I'm coming from now? It's not that I'm saying "No, that's not possible" to what you're saying, it's that I'm saying "Hold off on picking labels for it and (more importantly) being married to those labels and using them exclusively and arguing about them, because when we do that, we are not discussing what you think we are discussing, we are just discussing our own personal mental jotnotes.

It's said too much and almost never really understood, but the tao that can be named is not the tao. i like words like i like anything, but i would recommend to you as a friend and fellow being, to foster a certain kind mistrust of words, as you have a kind mistrust of someone trying to sell you their worldview.

and now, just to have more fun, let me zoom out "one more level" and just say that since language is also that, then go nuts and lets splash around in these dots and dashes and throat movements .

i need a beer after this post

 

Very eloquently put Mr. Writer.
Why do some find it necessary to put there experiences outside of themselves or our "reality" ? There such a vast amount that is unknown it's shortsighted to place anything outside of our reality and universe as you very nicely pointed out.
I am in agreement with you, friend.
Wish I could sit across the table from you and have that beer together.:cheers2:

 

When I say its an other universe it doesn't mean its not connected. Its all apart of a consciousness system, its all one, but its just a different physics then ours.

That is the distinction I am giving is a difference in physics. All of our universe pretty much works with the same physics, electro fields, gravity, etc. Another universe may work with some other sort of fields, some other set of physics applys.

This theory is not creating a duality, its making our oneness even more beautiful and mysterious, I am saying there are trillions and trillions of universes and there still all connected, there still all one. What we call a universe, is really just a part of a bigger universe, which is a bigger universe. Thats why religious people refer to it as the cosmos instead of the universe, the cosmos means the a whole of reality, not just this universe.

 

If the are all connected and comprise "one" then they are not by definition universe's.
The term universe implies all encompassing. It contains all we know, can know, all we observe, and can observe, all that was, is and will be.

Furthermore by the current scientifically accepted concept of universe, it would be impossible to travel from one to the other.

Carl Sagan was not religious and he referred to all that is as the Cosmos. The field of Cosmology encompasses all scientific disciplines. Cosmos isn't a religious term.
This is bringing to memory the discussion I had once with someone who was writing a paper to prove the existence of angels prior to the big bang, even though he agreed that all that is in existence started with the big bang.
He just could not see the error in his base hypothesis.
You seem to be so sold on these ideas that you are not able to see the error present in the very foundational hypothesis.
You can build your skyscraper as tall as you want, but if the foundation is simply not sound then eventually everything built upon it will fail, regardless of how beautiful it is.
I agree with Mr. Writer, semantics and language are the main reason for our differing views on this topic.

 

You need to use these terms loosely there is no other name to describe it really. First you have planets, then solar systems, the galaxies, then the combination of all the galaxies, known as the universe.

Now the term universe, which means all encompassing, has been used for many years because we have assumed that this was all that existed.

Now scientist have said that because the universe is actual finite, and that it expanding outwhere, and there is actually enough matter where the universe will someday contract. Millions of galaxies just expanding out in every direction like a giant sphere, but still having an ending point somewhere. This is what you call a universe.

Now there is a new theory in science called the multiverse theory, that says because there are different probabilitys in the microcosm of electrons there must be different probabilitys of universes in the macrocosm, due to the fractal nature of reality.

These universes can exist on a different frequency or in a different dimension then ours, and can either be related to ours or part of a different system. All universes are connected under one consciousness though. Consciousness is the construct of it all.

 

A theory is NOT fact.

 

This theory of science is an everyday experience to some people. There are thousands of people who can astral travel, I know a good 4 or 5 of them. Astral travel is just a fancy word for out of body experience, you cannot deny out of body experiences. I know at least 25 people including my self who experienced simple out of body experiences. I going to go as far to say that this stuff I'm talking about is real, that there is enough regular people experiencing it daily that is has been proven, to be unaware of it at this point seems close minded and is limiting one's capability of experiencing it.

 

Yes when we are a free soul or consciousness we are able to explore other realms of existence both material and spiritual. I don't know if people are understanding the expansiveness of creation, it is infinite! There are literally trillions upon trillions of dimensions of existence. I know its truth for I discovered it the first time I learned what god was on LSD.

 

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
Then lets get together make this shit happen!!
I'll split it with ya 60/40 OK ?

 

Hahaha i'm in! Were gonna need some sound proof booths.

But hey check these vids:

Talks on other reality frames - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hemH0OqOpX0&feature=related

Talks on time travel and probability vectors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIxcN_qWusk&feature=relatedsx

Talks on other world travel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p3euaSDo0Y&feature=related

If you have time watch all the parts to these videos, they are very very very good.