Religion is a form of psychosis

In the end, atheists only ever deny god in itself, in themselves, and it is not a problem.

Believers in god, gods speakers, audience, all and one the tools of words, tools of tools! A great lie. How much greater had they been even the merest pawns of poets as opposed to prophets with poor tongues!

Humans, we are all atheists, go and enjoy yourselves! Love eachother, treat everything to its true human worth, forget the whole of our religious metaphysics! Whether or not it began as a joke won't stop it from being one! Sex, music, even drugs have more power than god.

 

in all the limitless diversity of what is, it defys my comprehension how anyone can see oblivion as the only possible alternative to cleche'.

i will always see the greatest likelyhood as the possibility that we haven't considered, because there is so infinitely more of them, then all that we ever have or can, no mater how long of a life, we might, if we could, spend every moment, considering them.

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why should we make definitive statements concerning that which is non-evident? Infinite divisibilty of a finite number is impossible. What makes you think there is infinite space? Is it a fear of your own mortality?

 

Mati:

I think the term would be 'open-mindedness'

lol I've lived enough not to fear death. You should ask that of those who find peace in the dream of a universe with an end.

 

what impression enters the mind which leads it to believe that there is anything beyond what it perceives? It is only in the imagination that such ideas exist, alongside the unicorns and what have you. If it it gives you comfort, so be it. Any good catholic beleives in heaven but philosophically speaking it is a delusion just the same

 

Most usually the impression of mortality.

Where the hell else would an idea reside if not in the mind?

It is reason that leads me to assume infinity, not comfort.




Mati, how could the universe possibly end? Where else is there for it to go?!

lol

 

If you don't allow yourself to believe in anything but sensory information (what else is there to perceive?), then you have to abandon any claim to those things that exist but cannot be touched, tasted, smelled, heard or seen.

Things like Quality, Meaning, Inspiration, Intelligence, Creativity, Consciousness, etc.

Do you REALLY want to live without these things?

I feel sorry for anyone who cannot imagine anything better. For anyone so afraid to look stupid that they actually refuse to believe their own imagination is good for anything.

The imagination responsible for the existence of "what have you" (everything else but "unicorns," presumably) created everything you have.

Delusion?

I feel even more sorry for anyone who has no Ideals.

I am impressed by creative inspiration (or is it inspired creativity?). It makes a much better argument than any delusional polemics that negatively associate "Unicorns" with God.

Peace and Love

 

Internet atheists are possibly the most unintentionally hilarious sub-culture on the planet.

 

I'm Christian I guess, even though I question the shit out of it.

Why do we even give God the may or may not exist speech? Can't God just be put in place next to everything we know that can't exist - Unicorns, mythical creatures, well couldn't God just be a mythical creature and then just seize to exist, as, like Mystical creatures, it's just made up? You wouldn't give a Unicorn the chance to exist or not (Or maybe you would just to be an asshole to my speech here), but yeah, so why give God one? You're basically giving a crazy persons idea a chance, right? No? Anybody get where I'm coming from?

But praise the Lord.

 

Beyond whether god is real or unreal, I think the christian idea of god is a horrible idea, that would only serve hegemony and monotony, servile placitude and removal of true freedom from the universe, etc.

 

It's not psychosis, it is metaphorical explanation. Most religious people don't seem to understand the difference between reality and metaphor and if anyone says that God doesn't exist because there is no empirical proof for it's existance, then they don't understand metaphor either and are just as ignorant.

 

these things you mention are associations of ideas based on impressions. For me, figments of the imagination do not merit philiosophical consideration.they may have entertainment value for some but is it science? QUOTE=Varuna]If you don't allow yourself to believe in anything but sensory information (what else is there to perceive?), then you have to abandon any claim to those things that exist but cannot be touched, tasted, smelled, heard or seen.

Things like Quality, Meaning, Inspiration, Intelligence, Creativity, Consciousness, etc.

Do you REALLY want to live without these things?

I feel sorry for anyone who cannot imagine anything better. For anyone so afraid to look stupid that they actually refuse to believe their own imagination is good for anything.

The imagination responsible for the existence of "what have you" (everything else but "unicorns," presumably) created everything you have.

Delusion?

I feel even more sorry for anyone who has no Ideals.

I am impressed by creative inspiration (or is it inspired creativity?). It makes a much better argument than any delusional polemics that negatively associate "Unicorns" with God.

Peace and Love[/QUOTE]

 

See, THAT is the problem in black and white.

For two thousand years, there have been people who, without question or insight, believed they just knew what "the christian idea of god" is, and then went on to use their "knowledge" to justify whatever horrific atrocities they felt like commiting.

There seems to be a mental health epidemic based on the "common sense" idea that it is a good idea to destroy the bad guys. As though anyone had a right to condemn another. As though one's ignorance, prejudice, hatred or destruction would automatically create something better.

It doesn't matter if one embraces or rejects this delusion, it always seems to be nothing more than another unecessarily mean-spirited and destructive set of prejudices instead of the well-examined, reality-oriented path of inspired transcendence that Christianity is supposed to be.

I think it is entirely up to you whether embrace or ignore Christianity (or Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Paganism, etc.), but if you make anyone or anything the scapegoat for your own prejudices, then it only a matter of severity that separates you from those you call the "Bad Guys."

Do you have a better idea?

Peace and Love

 

So is every conceivable meaning of every one of your words. Should I deny the existence of "the associations of ideas based on the impressions" of your squiggles? Should I believe your thoughts actually exist?

I hope one day you will wonder what you're missing. I hope one day you will begin to realize what may exist beyond your consciousness.

Yes. It is. If your perspective is truly reality-oriented and your consciousness is healthy.

Peace and Love

 

Mati

No.. They are constructs. And they are the meaning of our existance.
To 'LIVE" is to understand love, beauty and also fear and horror.

We are nothing but agent smith. without these things.

Well said.

occam

 

Start your own religion, if you need one.

My basis for what the "christian idea of god" is based on what it says in the bible. God kills millions of people in it. 2,270,365 counted and estimated up to 32,900,000, how benevolent is that? Organized religion generally corrupts people, that isn't prejudice, that is historical fact. Look at the history of the catholic church, for instance, countless murders, tortures, abuses of power, abuses of people both psychically and sexually, right up to the current trials in court.

 

[+++QUOTE=Varuna]So is every conceivable meaning of every one of your words. Should I deny the existence of "the associations of ideas based on the impressions" of your squiggles? Should I believe your thoughts actually exist?

it is not a question as to whether things appear or not to be the case at the moment but whether their existence and nature are such as are mind independent.

I hope one day you will wonder what you're missing. I hope one day you will begin to realize what may exist beyond your consciousness.

how can what is to become be when it has not yet come?

Yes. It is. If your perspective is truly reality-oriented and your consciousness is healthy.

Peace and Love[/QUOTE]

 

Mati

Of course

How can what has been, be. when it but a memory.


Occam

 

How about . . .
The Temple of the Omni-Transcendent Undefinable.

The Dharma of Infinitely Benevolent Idealism.

The Tao of Creatively Inspired Is-Ness.

Who knows? Maybe you have a better idea?

Yeah well, that's what everyone says. And like almost everyone, you see only what you are ready to see, what you are capable of seeing. I hope you can see more than only what you want to see.

WHY? What is the story?

What is the story?

That IS prejudice.

Yes, there ARE those who abuse the faith of others, no-one can deny that fact, but that abuse should never be confused with religion itself.

Why don't you count the millions, if not billions, of people religion has helped? What is it that does not allow you to see THAT historical fact?

Those are the historical facts of every human community that has ever existed. Religion instructs people to never do those things. Some don't listen.

You cannot measure the quality of anything by the ways it is abused. And you cannot accurately identify anyone or anything by their worst.

Would you want to be famous for the best thing you've ever done, or the worst? Are either of those things all you really are?

Peace and Love

 

That means that you consider Christian Protestant fundamentalists or literalists to be the quintessential Christians. So do they. They are certainly the most vocal element of Christians. Catholics (the Bible means what the church says it means) come next. But not all Christians believe literally "what it says in the bible". I, like many members of "mainline" Christian churches, regard the Bible as an historical effort of a people to make sense of reality (See Armstrong, A History of God), and interpret it liberally and metaphorically. Are we excommunicated?