Rehab Plan setback

I think I've made it! Last night was the first night I slept without kicking/agitation. The only think I took was Valerian Root extract. I did not need valium or flexeril. Today, I'm feeling well and not depressed for the first time in a long time. The past couple of days I've been feeling better, so I've been working out and I think it helps a lot. I used to be a gym rat before my life with OC. Anyways, I plan on staying clean. I've looked up NA meetings in my area. I don't know if they'll help, but I think I should check them out. Thanks to everyone for the support, kind words and different methods to get through the withdrawls. I have never seen any of your faces, but believe me when I say that I am forever grateful. Be well and best of luck to you.

-Dabble77

 

Congrats. I wanna quit...but at the same time, I don't.
If you find yourself in the same position later in life, find someone with suboxone in the area.

 

Dabble77 GOOD FUCKIN WORK MAN!! Keep it up! Please.

If you ever want a buddy to chat with when you're feeling urges, send me a PM and you can give me a call when ever you feel you need some support from an x-user.

If you want to stay clean from here on out:
-stay away from users. A good friend who is a user, isn't a good friend if he's trying to get you hooked again. If he's being generous and looking to share - STAY AWAY!!!!!
-If you feel the urge to use, and you will, FIGHT IT with all your will power. Find something else to do. Working out really helps to get your mind off of things and make you feel good about yourself.
-You may think "hey what the hell, my tolerance is down, I'll use one more time" but from that point its going to be very easy to get back into a routine.
-If you do use, even if its for a short period of time, and a small amnt. that wouldn't normally put you in w/d -- you may still experience w/d symptoms from that small amount. After cutting the stuff I've gone back here and there and have used amnts. that wouldn't normally put me in withdrawl, but it does now.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, but it seems like with dope, the reaction is far far worse and for me, that just makes it not worth it.

 

The irony of this is that opiates work by triggering your endorphine receptors.

I've always wondered if running would be good for somebody who is trying to quit using opiates?

I wonder because there are people who get addicted to running. Ever seen those gnarly looking stick ladies that are constantly jogging? They're dope fiends too, they just have a more natural and legal (though certainly not healthy) way of getting their fix. I mean this quite literally as running obviously triggers lots of endorphins to release into your blood. I run on all of my days off, and my motivation to do it is usually knowing I will get that "runner's high" for the rest of the day.

Would running provide the addict with a means to quit taking opiates immediately and act as a halfway point between addiction and non-addiction? Or would the opiate user just replace their previous addiction with a running addiction and end up as one of those stick people?

Also, I've heard good things about Ibogaine. well, I've heard good things about its ability to end opiate addictions at least. apparently you've gotta endure what is pretty much guaranteed to be a long, horrible trip, but once it is over, so is your addiction. I'm speaking more from casual reading on the subject than anything else. I have no experience with Ibogaine - however Salvia divinorum works in a very similar way. Both drugs work on the kappa-opioid receptor. Salvia will probably be a lot easier to find than ibogaine.

Matter of fact, here's some information google just provided me with.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

"[SIZE=-1]Researchers, herbalists, mental health specialists, and especially addicts are showing interest in a Mexican sacramental herb that contains an anti-addictive pain killer that can even get people off other addicting substances. Salvia Divinorum references show how the herb can address alcohol, cocaine, opiate heroin and morphine, nicotine, tobacco and amphetamine addiction.[/SIZE]"

 

Never know untill you try. I just relapsed and went on a 3 week heroin binge, how im still alive, i dont know. So now i have 3 days clean, but NA is the kind of thing you need to stick with for quite a long time. i dont quite get the whole program thing, i still go tho. Its better than being strung out i suppose. If you need support and cant stop using, thats the place to go.

 

Is NA anything like AA? Cause if it is its a waste of your time. The idea of having other people who are going through the same thing you are and that can give you support is great - but the philosophy of the program is disgusting. That philosophy is basically "You are not responsible for yourself or overcoming your addiction. You must surrender to/believe in god and he will graciously cure you." Something along those lines. The last thing an addict should think is that he has no control over the problem himself. The addict must take complete control over himself.

 

Neil Young said "Every Junkies Like a Setting Sun". Hang in there buddy - I'm 62 & fight it every day.

 

I tried that NA shit. Fuck that... not for me. You gotta REALLY FUCKING WANT TO QUIT EVERY FUCKING DAY to do it. I'm still clean and still fight the urge but fuck that I'll live the clean, boring, drink here and there life before I go back to chasin that shit, lying, stealing, borrowing, constantly being broke, blah... blah... blah...

 

I just had a 9 day W/D from 600+ oxy/roxy 2 year addiction. The first 3 days were awful- fucking awful. I got by with a combo of benzos/ clonodine/asperin/ambein and serequil- used them for sleep purposes. I would wake up 3-4 hours later in a puddle of sweat. To be honest I also took either 50mg of percocets or 100mg of vicodin. I know it was not a 100% W/D- but cutting down over 90% overnight was quite significant. Having said this, after 5 days my body was adjusting to the lower levels. Did I have depression? Yes. Was I sweating in my sleep where I was dehydrated? Yes. Were opiates always only mind? Yes. Was I getting better? Yes

Anyway, today I went to the pain doc and got my scripts- 240 30mg roxys and 90 80mg oxys. I railed 120mg and was zipped bigtime. An amount that used to be used for maintenence shot me to the moon and lasted- man did it last

I know now what my tapering plan will be- I was at 500mg-600mg + (sometimes in the 700 range) but starting tomorrow my daily dose will be 160-180 and will cut 10mg per week. I know I have a way to go- but cutting by over 2/3rds and tapering from here is doable. The body and brain heals and discipline will provide light at the end of the tunnel. It will be a challenging 3-4 months, but the objective will be acheived. Screw suboxone, no need to trade one addiction for another.

 

my brother didn't like NA but he's been clean for a year from opiates, weed, alcohol, cigs, coke. he goes to AA and bikes 50 miles a day

 

Hey all- So I have remained clean and, although I feel like I'm out of the worst of it, I also feel like I have along road ahead of me. I tried NA, but it didn't take. Actually, it acted as a trigger- listening to people talk about how much they miss drugs. It may help later, but right now I don't think it's for me. I've been exercising and that seems to help a lot, especially with my mood. I still have mood fluctuations and symptoms of depression, but I feel like I'm starting to normalize, as far as my natural endorphin production. I also talked to my fiancee about everything. It was a selfish act, as I feel confession is often for the confesser, but I also felt that I needed her on board if I'm going to make it. She was really surprised at first- she thought all of this was behind me. Then her surprise turned to anger, especially with the lies and deception. However, we're staying together and working through it. I've cut all ties to dealers and users and have let my fiance know who these are as well. So, as it stands, I am continuing with being clean. I have an old high school friend who's been on Suboxone for years, and talk to him when I feel I need support from someone who has experienced addiction. That's helped a lot too, as has the support from users on this forum. I want to thank each of you for your words, and especially want to thank DigDoug, whose words hit home and really helped. For those who use, please be safe; and for those who are clean, please continue to be strong. I truely wish you happiness, in whatever form suits you.

 

Right on man, keep up the good work. Hope things work out well with you and your fiancee. Coming clean with her was the right decision.

 

+1 digdoug! Keep it up. I'm STILL fucking clean! I'm actually amazed at myself. I get bored as fuck at times and think about it still, but fuck that, I wont go back to that shitty life.

 

Hey all, so it's been a couple more weeks with no relapse and I am feeling much better. At times, I get moodier than I was before, but I hope that will pass. I have the odd craving here and there, but then I think back to sweating through my blanket and pillow and all the agitation... it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I also read through this thread, since my original post, and am grateful to be where I am today. I don't think I'll visit this forum anymore because it reminds me of the blissful nod; that's one thing I wish I could forget. Just wanted to wish you all the best and say thanks again to everyone who wrote. You guys helped me tremendously.

-Done Dabbling

 

This thread is 3 years old, just wondering what happened to you?