Refugees - What To Do?

Seems false info.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/truth-behind-picture-claiming-show-6447418

 

^ yeah, it's not less disturbing just because it's 3 years old.

 

Other refugees.
Albanians and Kosovans should be sent back, as all other economic migrants.
Like, there are people from Mauritania, wtf. That's not a priority.
But EVERYONE should be registered and checked thoroughly.
At this point you just can't risk it.
Apparently they caught a well known terrorist on the Hungarian border, yesterday or today, I'm not sure.

If ISIS claims they have over 400 of their men infiltrated among refugees, I am not the one to doubt them.

 

It's not even an IS flag. So yes, it is disturbingly misguided indeed. I guess you were right when you were talking about right wing after all. People let themselves easily be subjected to right wing propaganda because of this uncomfortable situation.

So, just wondering, why did you mention Slovenia in particular?

Yeps, and seems the exact method at the moment.

 

Because how else will they get to where they want to?
Apparently not through Hungary.

 

Lol ok.
Apparently, it's unclear what the flag says.
My bad, they obviously look like peaceful citizens, and I am sure their black flag says PEACE&LOVE.
Silly propaganda, making me think it's a group of angry Muslims, whom I wouldn't want want on my streets. Very misguiding indeed.

 

Ah ok, just because it's the only route. Yeah, they don't wanna stay in Hungary and (most of) Hungary doesn't want them applying for shelter there. If you have seen how the food got handed out in one place in Hungary you might understand why some refugees began to riot there. It's really not to tear our system down or something They're desperate and in some countries they simply get mistreated.

Just acknowledge you stepped in some right wing doodoo there. It's 3 years old and got only in the news and media now because it was associated with today's refugees.

 

Oh and is it unacceptable to be right wing these days? I'm asking in general.

I didn't know you can only be ONE way. That's very liberal, and totally not "robotic".

 

No, I don't give a crap about left or right. But that pic was deliberately abused to misguide people now and that is not acceptable or constructive, or really fair or useful in any way. Well, it is only useful for people who think it is ok to abuse info and manipulate others because they're so afraid of foreign refugees.

 

I've seen plenty of pictures of Syrian refugees dressed like normal westerners without a hijab in sight, but like asmo said that is pretty irrelevant either way. Just because a woman covers her head doesn't mean she wants to impose Sharia law or wage jihad.

I'm not trying to be a good little liberal here, I believe compassion spans political divides. I am trying to be empathetic. I don't know war except by proxy, I dont know what its like to have my home destroyed or to to be forced to leave my home, to leave my country. I've never even been hungry - but I can imagine. I keep asking myself, what if that was my family?

and I really do feel it is ignorant to assume the majority of these refugees (refugees, not immigrants) are anything but normal people, like my family and anyone else's family.

 

Explain throwing rocks and bottles at Hungarian police? They're safe in Serbia, and when you're a refugee your priority is safety, not welfare. And why are they yelling Allahu Akbar in Hungary? I don't get it.
Explain why they're rioting here already after 1 day, when they've been given food and really good accomodation, and treated well. Like, you're fine here, why can't you be at peace for a day or two, why do you need to go to Germany asap, and why must we meet your demands immediately?

I do know war, and my house was bombed to ruins. I've spent a number of my childhood days in a shelter during bombings, and we did leave the country with pretty much nothing. I have also been reduced to eating whatever Red Cross provided. But I don't remember anyone throwing food or bottles of water, or rioting. It wasn't this chaotic. I remember people being scared to death, and thankful, but not angry as hell. I remember a lot of women, old people and children. If you were a healthy man, you pretty much went to fight for YOUR home. You didn't leave your family at home, run to get German or Scandinavian welfare, and THEN send for your family. You knew your priorities.
It's not normal for there to be 80% men.

Of the thousands who came to Croatia in one day, not one person sought asylum. Why? This is a safe country.
So yes, they're not only refugees. They're also economic migrants who get really mad when they're not getting their way.

They do need to be helped, but we can't afford a million and more Muslims in Europe, no matter what you say.
What happens when they get disillusioned with the West, Germany and other countries? And trust me, most of them will.
That's when you start to really stick to your own (people, culture and religion). We have seen it so many times, and we will see it again.
Look at Bosnia. Sure, there's no war. But the only reason why it's still holding up as a country is that there's very little mixing between three dominant nations.
When things get a little tough, all the ancient hatred comes up.
You may find that example out of place in this case, but it's not.
It's the same shit all over again, just on a larger scale.


One thing I agree on - I feel empathy, but long-term effect is what scares me.
I want to be able to ride a train from Paris to Amsterdam without being scared that some Arab is going to start shooting.
I want to be a journalist and come to work, without being scared that angry Muslims will shoot me.
I'm not saying all refugees are dangerous, far from that, but the truth is - it is a very dangerous religion.
I've been around Muslims too much, and experience tells me it really is a peaceful religion only when they're a minority (as I already said).
If that makes me a problem, or a bigot, so be it.

Not everyone will be able to go to Germany.

Gulf states should take a more active role, but that's not going to happen.

And I'm going to stop myself now, because I'm starting to ramble, and I don't see a point in discussing this anymore.

 

Negative attitudes seem to range from 'these people are all terrorists' - probably the most paranoid reaction, to 'ok, they aren't all terrorists and maybe we should keep them alive - but not in my country and not at my expense'.

People take the smug attitude that nothing like that could ever happen to them. I don't know what happened to their compassion and empathy - maybe those things are simply beyond some people. Or maybe they're simply brainwashed by media BS and alarmism.

 

You do realize they do not want to stay just anywhere

 

It really is tragic to see some of these people in this video, but they were given false promises. There are no jobs or anything waiting for them.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34286432

 

fair enough piaf. I agree with you that they should be processed and documented in an orderly way and they cannot really afford to be picky about their country of asylum.

 

Once all the refugees leave, the USA will be able to go into Syria and kill every last living thing... Then they can all go back...

 

mass emigration out of the problem areas is not the solution to whatever is causing the problems. these people should fight their battles at home, whether in explicit war or a figurative one.

migrants' conditions are poor and pitiable, but this doesn't change the fact that they made a conscious decision to up and leave and head for Europe. if all these people united under their common cause -- against war and ISIS, for example -- then they would be a force to be reckoned with in their place of origin, where they really need to make a difference. migrating is just the easy way out, it's a lazy solution, and not even a proper one. this accomplishes nothing. don't these people know how to stand up for themselves and fight?

this is not the proper solution to their plight and should be nipped in the bud while it still can be.

 

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Easy for you to say. If they just had their dubious regime to fight (like when this war in Syria started) a lot of them might not have left and went to do what you say indeed. But this conflict has become much more chaotic, a lot of different factions and even when you have a common enemy you or your house can still be destroyed by your allies any day. It is really not as simple as to put it like they are lazy.

In fact if they were really lazy and apathetic they might settle to stay in a country with no prospects. Sitting in a stinking refugee centre for a year or longer. Instead most realize they can not return to their country in at least a year (lets be real, probably longer). They noticed (wrongly or not) that there are countries with better long term prospects for them. Germany has even declared to wanting to take them in. Not sure what you would have done in such a situation. Esp. if you have a family.
It seems btw that a certain amount of these solitary men (no not all of them) have left their family in Turkey or Libanon and try to get them in legally after they got succesfully in, just because that seems the safer approach than to travel with kids (if you see the example of a hungarian journalist tripping a father over you have already a slight idea why it is better to travel without your kids, as well as the pic in the OP of course, and also why in certain places people are outraged). Some people are so convictive and assumptious on all of these people. It reeks of ignorance and misguided self preservation. No, not in 'our Europe' 1% chance of a nasty terrorist seems to excuse us giving in to our fear and stigmatize all of them. Hey, I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned of any dubious person getting in but at the same time we should do it while using our brains

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Netherlands (and I think Germany) took in a lot of refugees back then A lot of them stayed. Some even are muslim

Having a cultural background that matches that of the country one finds shelter in is no guarantee of good integration either. Same other way around. We focus on the negative examples, but a lot of them integrate and become functioning members of society that you will never see or hear about in the news, except maybe in some background news stories that highlight the other side of a situation, which usually gets dubbed as PC or pro multiculti jumbo by people who want to hear nothing of it.

 

Indeed. Many seek to come here to the UK as they think the conditions here are better than in many European countries.

I think the UK should take a fair share - that's all.

I also think Arab states should be taking more of them. So far they show no willingness to do so.

 

Part of the trouble is that the media have really whipped up a lot of anti-muslim feeling. They only ever focus on extremists, and that gives the impression that all Muslims are extremists.
The media here in Britain also have a campaign against immigration in general, so these people face a huge amount of prejudice and pre-judgement.

The idea that these folks should just remain where they are is ludicrous. No responsible human being would want to keep their children in a place where they could be killed or maimed at any moment, or their wives and daughters where they could end up as IS sex slaves.

The very fact that they don't just sit in the refugee camp existing on charitable hand outs but try to make a new life elsewhere shows they are neither lazy nor apathetic IMO.