Refugees - What To Do?

US media has been reporting that Germany is ready to accept that group.

 

Only thing I have read in regards to recent change in this situation is that Hungary has said that they now do exactly what you want: let them go if they want to. But it appears they can't go anywhere where they want anytime soon as they still got to have some papers or be registrated first.
The group that was near the station in Budapest and had problems with the trains are reported to be walking now. 200 km walk to the austrian border. The ones on that train that was supposed to go to the austrian border seem to be going to a refugee camp. In Hungary. Don't know what the deal is on the longer term. It would be cool for them if they could go to Germany but it is of course not the solution for every refugee.

 

Seems to me that a refugee camp needs to be built on the Turkey-Syria border, inside Syria, under NATO control and protection. The refugees can be provided with basic survival supplies there without welcoming them into other countries, where they will most likely eventually demand that Islamic Law be enforced locally.

 

All this middle eastern stuff is so complicated. Refugees here --refugees there. If the world was run correctly, of course there would be no wars

no people suffering and dying---. It's just insane how many people have to suffer the consequences of the failures of humanity to come to grips with the fact that we are, as humans, all IN THIS TOGETHER as inhabitants of earth.

I don't know what can be done about those poor folks that just seem to want to have a regular life without being bombed,shot, starved, and displaced. It's just too damned complicated, unfortunately. Religion, ancient tribal loyalties,the insane desire to subjugate, kill, and enslave is ongoing and is no different than any other time in history. We just hear about everything immediately now.

WE haven't known anything like this here in the states, but who knows what's coming, for ALL is subject to change.

Maybe as soon as individuals that have the intense desire to acquire power/money over their fellow humans develope some kind of conscience-----nah--forget that--too late.

The pictures of those poor folks are heartbreaking.

 

wow hipforums really sucks sometimes. I can't quote you Karen, but in response - I kind of doubt that, honestly. Syria was a relatively secular, educated nation before this shit storm. The people fleeing are leaving because they don't want to live in a country where you can die for not growing a beard or wearing hijab.

 

Is this why those women we see mostly wear hijabs?
Is this why they're yelling Allahu Akbar in Hungary?

https://youtu.be/lKVMlmC1HSM

Yes, they need help. And yes, they are a potential danger, that's why they need to be registered. No exception. You should know by name who's entering your country.
It's also no secret Germany needs more cheap labour force.
Like they're doing anything because of their sudden love for humanity.

But in general I agree - feed them, give them water, and send them on the first train to Germany and Scandinavia.

 

It just plain sucks.

 

But they don't want that.

Also, I remember a safe, UNPROFOR potected place from 1995. Ended with more than 8000 (Muslim) people killed.
I don't have much faith in UN, nor NATO.

 

Meanwhile

 

They obviously need help, but I've heard too many stories about problems associated with immigration from the Middle East to all parts of Europe. Help needs to be brought to them, one way or another, at least inside a country that's a part of that region, if not their current home state. Otherwise, it's just one more step down the road to Europe becoming Islamic.

 

I absolutely agree.
It's so out of control right now.
I'm the last person who wants to see an islamic Europe.

 

Something else we can agree on.

The Middle East is the most difficult part of the world to deal with, generating more problems than any other. The last thing the world needs is for more places to become more like them.

The heart and soul of tolerance is when people (like you and I) can disagree without proposing violence as the ultimate solution. That's the lesson most of the Middle East has yet to learn.

 

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Agree to disagree and acceptance/tolerance of different people is a lesson people everywhere need to learn And it always gonna be that way. Just because a western society has incorporated (or is trying to incorporate) tolerance for different people in their system does not mean it is a done deal. That there are so much violent conflicts in the middle east going on is not solely to blame on a lack of these lessons. I hope you didn't mean it like that

Northern Syria and Turkey-Syria border seems not safe. It makes more sense to built them in Turkey (which is already done)

Curious. What makes you say that as if it is a serious or primary concern?

These refugees' religious background is not a main concern on itself for north west european countries. Well It's mainly a serious issue for people who already have a problem with such people Although accepting 100.000 syrian refugees in your country and letting most of them stay on permanent basis will logically make a country slightly more islamic, as in there are more islamic people, it doesn't cause a north west european country into becomic islamic anytime soon.
The fear or suspicion that all these syrian refugees, of which the far majority happens to be muslim indeed, are going to strive to make a country like the UK or Germany into some kind of typical middle eastern muslim country once they get to stay there is based on stigmatisation and misunderstanding.

 

:dizzy2:

 

I don't believe you need for me to explain to you why somebody who hasn't chosen Islam might strongly object to any possibility of being subjected to Sharia Law in the future, especially women. At this point in my life, I'd rather have personal freedom than the basics of daily survival. I can die with my good memories.

You say immigration isn't going to shift the balance in Europe anytime soon. Do you plan to die in the next 20 years?

 

I think asmo was asking why you think the refugees would want to enforce sharia law, not why you think sharia law is a bad thing. I'm kinda curious myself - obviously there are extremely radical elements of Islam or ISIS wouldn't even be a concern, but there seems to be a disconnect between everything I've read and studied (or learned from.the couple of Muslims I've gotten to know well in my life) concerning the average person living in a nation where Islam is the majority, and others' perceptions of it. I've never walked away with the impression that the average Muslim wishes to enforce sharia law.

and of course a lot of people fleeing Syria aren't Muslims at all which is why they need to gtfo out of Syria.

 

I think it's because people tend to bring their shit with them, wherever they go. On this, I have to rely on second hand information, because I haven't been around such a place. I've seen some online horror stories from the UK about immigrant neighborhoods where people born in the UK (female) are being told that they have to cover their heads and/or faces in public.

Obviously, not all individuals act this way, but we have to be concerned about the collective actions of large groups.

 

The people who are escaping from ISIS or ISIL should not come to America. America is a fraud. Americans tend to be arrogant, abusive, and liars. They tell people in other countries that there is such a thing as free speech in America. But, anyone who uses free speech in America will have the government watching them, and persecuting them. There really is no freedom to travel in America, you have to have permits, and in some cases cannot fly on an airplane. If one attempts to go to another country, their passport can be revoked and they left stateless. In America your home is not sacred, as goverment officials can kick the door down at anytime, or do the "Sneak and Peak" while you are away. ISIL was formed by the American CIA and trained at camps in Jordan in 2010. Al Qaeda was formed by the Reagan administration during 1985. Last week an American army general suggested using Al Qaeda to fight ISIS, confirming what a lot of people suspected about what happened during the 911 event. The immigrants are much better off in another country.

 

like I said, :dizzy2:


but let me ask if America is so horrific, why haven't you left yet?

 

(to post 38)Thanks. Compliments are hard to come by these days.





You're partially right, you little pipsqueak---all is well here. (that's about all the arrogance, abuse and a lie that I can muster up just now. Hope that helps.)