red star microdots

I've been reading a lot of stuff saying that a lot of the red star microdots are are 2C-T-7 and not LSD so be careful. Again not all of them but there has been a large amount that are. Not sure how true these rumors are but once again be careful!!

Here's some info on 2C-T-7

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death1.shtml

 

When they hit the market they were being hyped as mescaline...:gossip:

 

No where in that article does it say anything about T7 being passed off as microdot.

A common dose of T7 is 30mg or more. Thats 200 times more than the reported 150ug the stars are, more if they aren't even that potent. Those stars are smaller than the microdot in the following article, and waaayyy smaller than the 45mg tablet of 2C-b.

Maybe you missed it earlier in this thread...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_info2.shtml

Also, understand the differences between the oral and insufflating ROA's. Totally different.

 

Sooo ill totally elaborate at a later date, but SWIM is almost 100 % sure the red dots and the blue dots (specks is more f**king like it) do not contain Lysergic acid diethylamide. SWIM has seen many of them and lost quite a few

But SWIM and I both resided on the 3ed coast so maybe we are the unlucky ones to get the fake stars.

 

Sorry for the confusion but the article was just for info on 2C-T-7 and not whether or not microdots contain it or not. It is other sites where I've seen the discussions on whether microdots contain it or not.

 

It's a great thread. And now, back to The Creators of Orange Sunshine. ~1970 I took 3+ what was supposed to be orange sunshine. Who knows. They were strong orange barrels and we had a lot. That trip was the beginning of the end for me and LSD.

 

What you took was orange barrels (not just what they looked like but they were named that) and not orange sunshine. Orange sunshine came as small round orange tablets which we always said reminded us of Bayer children's aspirin (small orange chewable aspirin).

 

This?

 

No worries, I wasn't confused I was pointing out that it's silly to believe the red stars are T7 and that posting a link of the dangers of T7 that there is a big diff between insufflation and oral. Of the 3 deaths on that page, 2 were from snorting and the other was oral in combo with something else. The 2Ce deaths were from insufflating too.
Considering how many millions have taken T7 and E (and other 2C-x) I would say that they are WAY safer than aspirin or alcohol. And I don't think anyone is crushing and snorting red stars

The only thing those stars could be are LSD, or something that is active at submilligram levels like Nbome or DO-x or (highly unlikely) an LSD analogue.
Considering the most potent analogues PRO-LAD and ALD-52 pretty much need to go through LSD synth to produce, I really doubt (tho have no proof) that much if any of that stuff goes around. I suspect wherever you read someone claiming red stars are T7 is simply repeating or making up LSD myth like mescaline microdots or strychnine blotter.

LSD and T7 are very different experiences. I've no experience with a DO-x variant or Nbome's but those stars are essentially the same as all the trips I had in the 70's-80's in length, headspace and experience. For me anyhow.

 

Voyage...you truly know your stuff and I have a great respect for your input. Never hesitate to correct me or point out other possibilities to my input or opinions...that is what forums such as these are for and I'm always up for a good debate or an intelligent exchange of info.

As far as the microdots containing other substances other then LSD the one thing that caught my attention was that the OP stated that it had a bitter taste. LSD has no taste. The first thing that came to my mind was the hits on graph paper that I did in the late '70's that Herman was also familiar with that also had a bitter taste to it. Herman thought that there was a good possibility that it was DOx considering it fit the profile due to the taste and the duration time of the trip. The only thing that doesn't fit is 10 hours duration is a bit short compared to the graph paper hits. However the bitter taste and the colorful and intense hallucinations described by the OP do fit the profile for DOx. Basically I was just trying to find reasons why the microdots did not seem to be LSD considering the report from the OP and was just trying to bring to light other possibilities whether it be T7 or Dox or whatever.

I'm not familiar with 2C-T-7 or any of the 2C variants and to be honest never even heard of them until the other night...but just wanted to make people aware that there is reports of these microdots containing it and just to be careful and also let them decide for themselves whether they wanted to take the chance of messing with it or not.

 

Has anyone seen these?



LSD gummy bears. Don't give them to the kiddies!!!!

 

Dude, it's all good and thx for the compliments. I don't feel I'm way knowledgeable however I do make a point to learn about this stuff as I feel psyches, as amazing as they are they also deserve and require at least a basic understanding. There's worlds to learn about these things, sometimes I feel i've barely scratched the surface.
I was first introduced in my mid-teens, and was away from nearly all drugs except nicotine and caffeine for roughly 30yrs. You and I are from the same generation, a time when all sorts of myth and misinformation went around. Well, still does. Not just from friends and aquaintances but from our teachers, leaders and the establishment. It did me harm and don't like to see that happen to others.
I wish there was the web back when you and I were growing up, ya know?

About the taste... consider the carrier that a dose might be on... (a microdot, blotter, etc) is the source of a taste. You're right about L having no taste but I bet if you got a little piece of any paper, lined binder paper, graph paper, whatever, put it on your tongue, you'd taste something. The dots going around aren't solid pure L, there is some substrate and a color on the outside. LSD isn't red, or blue, or orange either. Back in the day blotter art was printed with the chemical inks of the day. Good blotter nowadays has soy-based ink (more eco friendly) and also different people may use different solvents or carriers to dilute the LSD when laying blotter. All these could effect taste.

I'd say, if you're interested in psychedelic experience look into the 2C's. Collectively called phenethylamines they are structurally based on mescaline basically, and the 4-subbed tryptamines come from the mushroom world. (basically) The 2C's are well on their way to becoming sched 1 in the states, due to those deaths you linked (T7 and B is already) and the rest will be sooner rather than later. Minnesota just banned a whole long list, after the first publicized 2C death happened there earlier this year made a bunch of news and got hyped.
They are worthy trips, not my faves but pretty damned awesome none the less. Used carefully with some basic knowledge and common sense, quite safe and def mind expanding. :sunny:

 

Ah HA !!! Now those... those just might not be LSD. A source I know has gummies, but they are DOC. Was looking at getting a couple as I've not knowingly had a DOC experience.

But, wouldn't be surprised if they were being passed off as LSD. The bad thing about the gummies... DOC is as of yet unsched in the US. The catch is unsched if not intended for human consumption. Putting DOC on gummies pretty much makes them subject to the analogue law.
There's a good change of subject, anyone had some gummies? How do those contrast to LSD.. ?
I bet they're yummy!

 

Hey I love gummies straight from the bag!! So if they were laced with LSD then what the hell..I'd love them even more!!! Haha!!!

Just gotta make sure my 9 year old son didn't find them. He loves gummies too!!!!

 

They were lying to us?!!! Really? Are you serious? JUST KIDDING!!!!

 

Right? Imagine my shock when I discovered that...

Shoulda known something was up when the wood shop teacher was missing a finger, and the gym coach had a 46" waist.

Ya, those gummies need to get stored far outta reach. Don't eat too many of them or you could wind up looking like one yourself.

 

after taking 2 in the woods...i still kinda wonder if they are lsD. i don't think they are an NBOME, because this time we swallowed them after 5 mins. so unless that's long enough for sublingual admin...it wasn't nbome anything

don't suspect DOx either, as it gives a full on, complete trip with headspace and awe...and is sorta short and SUPER fast to kick in......

it could just be LSD - higher dose than i'm used to

but i can't help but think it might be something else...

 

If its not, what other substances would have about the same characteristics?

For me I don't think the ones I had came up very fast, about the same pace as 2Ce, fairly slow and even like other experiences, much slower than say 4aces, quite in the headspace in one hour, maybe about 1 1/2 hr before full on. Next time I should take notes if i remember.
In the Thikal entry for LSD he wrote comments on the various analogues, not in detail but seems like most of the variations have little history or research, seems they'd wouldn't be out in the wild except the well known ones and then again, might as well just make L.
Would be nice if there was a Microgram Bulletin reporting on them. Or legal for a lab to test them like the MDMA project. Until then I guess it's all subjective.


Edit: Oh, check this out. http://aciddata.com/general/newsletter/erowid_newsletter15.pdf page14
And of course theres this one found awhile back... http://www.justice.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0706/mg0706.html
Too bad they didn't state the color.

 

Sorry Voyage...kinda spaced on this one and forgot to answer. Yes, that is what they looked like from what I remember.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergamides