Reason or Faith?

Which do you prefer to be governed by?

 

I do not think "reason" and "faith" are neccesarily exlusive.


Look at Che Guevara. He was one of the most important people during the revolution. He was an intelligent, calculating man who was both very rational and had a lot of faith. Che served as president of Cuba's national bank and as Cuba's minister of industry. He was also involved in INRA, whose aim was to restructure the rural Cuba. He worked hard and participated in voluntary work every weekend, and worked 16-18 hours a day. Like he said himself, he was an idealist. He fought for something greater than himself.

Point is... A leadership without rationality will be doomed, and a leadership without faith will end in tyranny, corruption and disaster. It will cease to be a leadership and it will become an oppressor.

 

If Che had more reason than faith he wouldn't have waisted those years in Africa, and probably wouldn't have gotten killed by the CIA.
Personally, though, i'd prefer reason, even though i don't really believe in it, because that is able to change with the changing times, faith usually stays the same, and can create some really back-ass-word societies.

 

"Those years"? I thought it was 7 months.

Compared to logging in to hipforums every day and eating potato chips, I say it was not "a waste of time", to say it mildly (even if the outcome was not what was expected).

They were encircled. Some got out, some didn't. Che was one of those who didn't.







I find it funny that guys sitting in front of their computer, has the "courage" to criticize someone who actually died for something they beleved in.

 

no belief is worth dying for.

 

That is your opinion.

 

faith in reason

 

Who voted for faith?

 

Faith is such a bunk concept. The highest argument for faith is "Proof negates free will"

Yes, and 2+2=5

 

faith, whatever it is in, whether an idiology or a revealed belief, well i'm sorry, but i'd just rather eat regular. and have a little more confidence in being able to count on doing so. this may take a bit of both. the motivation of faith and the how to of reason.

and a large dose of the good sense to avoid causing harm instead of looking for either kind of excuses for doing so.

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themnax, your little musings really do this site a lot of good.

Green, just a thought, maybe you should have included "pseudo-reasoning" as an option in the poll. Its fairly commonplace in our culture...but who would admit to it?

 

This is an easy one. Reason.

Faith is blind, with reason you at least try to understand something

 

Faith can accomplish nothing, but reason and faith together can.

 

Those thoughts have a faith base though.

 

so does euclidian geometry.

when you start from assuming nothing you begin somewhat arbitrarily deffining forces and objexts. but once you've got the concepts of objects and definable relationships, forces, between them, it is then possible to apply logic, and irresponsible, or at least meaningless, not to.

faith = there is something called matter + there is something called energy.

testing reality = they may not be mutualy exclusive.

yes reason begins with faith, but faith alone without reason,
you may as well be playing with yourself in the middle of the freeway.

and faith to launch reason is tied to no prespecified form.

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neither...i don't like to be governed.

 

yep, easy one, fait his blind, Great example: the problems inside those poor people who blow them selves in the name of GOD, they only kil themselves, without enjoyign much teh girf of life. Reason has brought us to such hights and still its far from end. Religion will be less and less popular with time, adn at the end there will be no religion.

 

I agree, I think time will triumph faith.
I don't believe in following an old book written by people who still thought the earth was flat.
One day, all the prophets will fade.
Reason and acceptance will shine.
And we, as a civilization, will grow.

 

God gave us free will (independent ability to reason)...if you have the faith to believe that is so.

 

my faith is that whatever gave us reason damd well intended that we use it

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