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I haven't watched the video yet, but everything is pointing to a rebound of the economy. If you're right it will be the biggest head fake in history.

btw: productivity up the most in 6 years today.

 

How can you possibly say that? How can there be a rebound without job recovery? Makes no sense at all, unless you're one of the talking heads on CNBC and paid to lie to the public.

 

Obama?

Isn't he that one black guy?

 

Job recovery is the last to rebound, but even that is showing signs of bottoming. GDP may even be postive this quarter. So we have

1. Home prices up
2. GDP nearly positive
3. stock market biggest 2 month gain in history
4. job losses better than expected
5. biggest productivity jump in 6 years

 

Essentially the same as in China, "New economic figures show that China's export-reliant economy still has weaknesses, but is showing signs of recovery. Still, there are warnings that much of the gain is dependent on government stimulus spending."
Like the "single payer" health care proposal, the U.S. is going through a "single consumer" economic recovery. Any real recovery will be indicated by an increase in the number of wage earning consumers, not by increased government spending, which only produces a larger debt owed by the working taxpayers.

 

You are obviously not grasping how the economy really works and how trillions of dollars of fiat money have been pumped into it over the past year to keep things afloat. Just look at the increase in the monetary base. Of course there is going to be some temporary recovery, but that's all it is. It's smoke and mirrors and nothing more than a temporary fix.

And as far as job recovery, how can you call going from making $20+/hr. to working minimum wage at Burger King "job recovery," unless you're a lying little stooge like Obama. Most of the people that lost their jobs are not going to easily find work where they make nearly what they previously did. And at the same time the cost of everything is going up. Taxes are going up, the cost of living is going up, and the dollar is dropping in value.

Besides, if you actually look at the long-term projections, you will see job loses are expected to increase -- not decrease.

There is no real job recovery on the horizon. How can there be when so many of these jobs are no longer even in the country? McJobs are not real jobs.

Like I have said before, there can be no economic recovery because there is no real economy to recover. America is toast, and it's about time people wake up to that harsh reality. Obama isn't going to save you.

 

Exactly my point!

 

I think these problems can be worked through over the next 10 years and dissagree with your assumption that a complete economic collapse with 30-40% unemployment and hyperinflation is inevitable. We'll see what happens.

 

Oh, yeah, they'll be "worked through" once they deliberately destroy to currency so they can offer either a regional "North American" currency, or go straight to a global currency. Those are their plans.

 

Why do the poll results appear out of sync with the posts?

 

They don't get away with things like killing all sick old people. If they could, the insurance companies would have done it already.

The term came into common use back in the 90s. When the sites organizing the mobs at town halls are run by health insurance and pharmacutical industries, and portray themselves as regular people, that's the definition of astroturfing.

One video? The vast majority of the videos I've seen are angry people shouting at the congressperson, stopping any discussion of health care from happening. That is what the astroturfers asked for, and have gotten. Now the left is starting to organize people to go and shout back at them, and I don't agree with this. I think it's hypocritical. I think we should stand back, and let these people make asses of themselves.

If assholes like Rush Limbaugh didn't pay more taxes when Clinton was president than when Bush was, I don't know why he won't stop saying it.

But my point is, Rat, I don't get why, if you have the views that you have, you're on the wrong side of this. If you think the country is owned by the same people no matter which party is in power, I don't understand why you don't prefer the Democrats because they fuck the rich. It makes no sense. I think you are claiming independence to try and get some credibility, but really you're a shill for the right.

 

I think we can dismiss all of the people who voted 1 and all the people who voted 10 for being unwilling to actually think about the question, and then look at who voted 2-9 for a more accurate view.

 

I picked 6, because he's had his failures and a couple shitty policies, but I feel he's got a lot more (good) done this far in the presidency than most modern Presidents, and I feel that his strength in getting elected and getting people interested in politics is of incalcuable value.
He would've gotten a much higher rating if he didn't fail to live up to SO many campaign promises.

 

Again, it depends what you mean by rich. I don't necessarily consider people living in a $750,000 home, who own a big yacht and vacation in the Bahamas to be rich. I consider the elite who run this country to be rich. They're the ones who control both political parties and pay no taxes. You have the rich, then you have the elite. The elite could give a shit less which party you vote for because they own both teams. They have their money protected in big tax-exempt foundations.

 

So it's about the collateral damage? Those nearly elite people ought to be close enough for you to at least be neutral. I mean, come on. HUGE blow to the elite, glancing blow to the near-elite, and a triumph for the little guy. It levels the playing field some. You should be for it.

 

I said I'd get back to you when I located the source. Have you blocked me?

It's up to 77% in favor of a public option. Refer to section #2. 58% find it extremely important, 19% somewhat important, totalling 77%.

 

Could it be that Obama can't lose because he can't win? That even if he fails miserably, people will just say that Bush fucked things up so bad they were beyond repair?

 

I gave him a 2. Only because he is fairly articulate (except when he loses his teleprompter - heehee).

No really...I don't like the way he is telling us what he is going to do...period. He is a servant of the people and he forgets that. Yes, he was elected. But that does not give him carte blanche to run pell mell for 4 years and do whatever he wants...hell no. He must listen to us and he apparently resents that. And the people resent that he resents that and on and on and on....

He needs to chill out, slow down, stop wildly spending money on Acorn and shit like that and govern from the center or he is going to get impeached when the economy tanks even further (the stock market is getting ready to really dump...soon)...

And this stuff on healthcare? It is really tanking his numbers. It is a power grab and people know it. He could insure the 15 million uninsured by buying every one of them a policy for $2000 a year ($30 B total) and be done with it and save himself his presidency. But NOooo......he wants the federal government in our houses grabbing information and money and power.....and creating a big unionized federal DMV-like bureaucracy....

 

He's for the criminalization of cannabis, as well as other "illegal" substances, and he if for the death penalty, like all Presidents he receives a 1.