Rainbow Hippies Vs. Lakota Indians 2015

Hey kids,
Looks like the Rainbow Family has chosen the Black Hills of South Dakota for their annual gathering in 2015, starting in 11 days. Some of the local tribe are not too happy about this white tribe of nomadic hippies choosing this location.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehc-b4lNfjo

Should the Rainbows find another place...or should the Indians join them in the Black Hills... or would they even want to?

What do you think?

 

I think they have should have contacted the Lakota for permissions ...and just as a matter of respect (if they will be on any formal Lakota land or traditional lands even if not formally recognized)

if they are just on federal land or private land (with permission) then fuck it they should be allowed to do what they want as long as they take responsibility for clean up and land rehab

 

From what I have seen on my Facebook feed, there might be a protest this weekend againts the Rainbow people.
I dobt know what to think
I feel like we have become so radicalized that we cannot sit down together.
It's disappointing.

 

The root of this is very simple, the Lakota don't want 20,000 people slipping in and taking advantage of them. There's no way so many people will not leave a lot of damage in their wake unless there's something very magical about them. And their track record doesn't seem to indicate this. Of all the people on this planet to screw with, the Lakota are the ones who deserve it the least. They have a treaty, a very old one. A treaty based on the value of their culture.

I'd really like to know how many of these interlopers know about the treaty. If they did, why would they consider crossing the line? Because it's "legal" now? What a piss poor reason to have such a gathering. Convenience. Fkin head to Michigan, it's beautiful and has far less baggage.

 

The Rainbow Family isn't "magical", but they do have a generally good cleanup record. Who and chose this location and why is beyond me, but the thing is set in motion and the show will probably go on without catastrophic consequences. Next time people need to block consensus if the site decision seems so ill-advised. The process works if people will use it.

 

The Lakota are a native spiritual people and their traditions must be respected. The old ancient hippie elders have always taught us a path of peace, rightiousness, prosperity, peace, and path. The spirit that guides us is the same as the one that guides the Apache, and we must work in congruence with their leadership in order to establish impassive free trade agreements AND THE NEED FOR ASSERTIVENESS IN THIS SITUATION is completely unecessary and banal. I have tried to express this to the majoriry of my Hindian neighbors, but they have not accepted my please for their redepmtion, just like the young once rejected Jesus upon the TEMPLE MOUND. Let them be forsaken for we are reborn. Reborn into vulrures. Reborn into sorrow. But yet, reborn reborn reborn. Halalalala. HATE IS NOT THE RIGHT PATH OF WAY unless it is.

Kill the Cherokee child, free the rainbow people into happy hippies.

Namaste

 

I can't stand "first nations" exceptionalism.

 

Tatanka

 

There’s one tradition I wish the Lakota would bring back - The collection of human scalps


Hotwater

 

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The colonists ruined it by turning it into a commercial activity

 

Since this part of the Black Hills that they used has been designated as National Forest for a while now, it's not like they did anything new there.

Still, there's a million places to hold a gathering, so either getting permission from the Lakota or going some place else would have been a lot cooler.

 

A little respect for the "First Nations" culture and traditions doesn't seem too outrageous to me.

 

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So there are apparently lots of casinos in Deadwood in the Black Hills. I don't think that these are Indian owned though.

The sacred place for Native Americans has already been trampled on. More trampling doesn't break any new ground, but it would still be nice to trample less.

 

..how is it anyway?

 

Spaceman Spiff is exactly right----this could have been handled in a completely different manner.

The Black Hills is very sacred to the Lakota, and was promised to them by treaty. Custer was the one who made the treaty and broke the treaty. A decade or two ago, the US Government recognized that they had 'stolen' the Black Hills from the Lakota and offered to make a large payment to the tribe as reparations and payment for the Black Hills----the Lakota refused the payment saying that how can land, especially sacred land, be for sale? They still recognize it as theirs.

This is one way that it could have been handled in a very positive way that would have probably resulted in a great lasting relationship between the Rainbow Tribe and the Lakota:


The No Dakota Access Pipeline protests in Standing Rock has been going on for a year now----they should have made a very visible presence there, protesting along with the Lakota, or at least been very visible about showing support. (Maybe they did----I don't know, but it would have been highly appreciated).


Next they should have went to one of the traditional medicine men on one of the reservations who has no qualms about putting white people in ceremony. To clarify, the Lakota are very open with their traditions and believe that while they hold and retain the traditions, they are essentially for all people especially those who love the earth (which is what the term Lakota refers to). But there are many on the rez who frown, for example, on white people doing Vision Quest on Bear Butte (which is technically in the Black Hills, and is the traditional place of Vision Quests). They argue that there are mountains all over America that white people can go do vision quest on, and that they should leave Bear Butte to the Lakota where they traditionally did it (and the other tribes who also use that spot). So while it is one thing that a white guy can sit in a sweat lodge and be welcomed, or even go to a sundance, it is another for him to do vision quest on Bear Butte. Therefore I am talking about one of the Medicine Men on the Rez who will put a white person on Bear Butte----such as David Swallow, or Crow Dog.

They should have visited the medicine man with a gift of tobacco to make their request, and then respected and followed whatever he said to do. For an added touch, the tobacco could have been presented tied in a red cotton cloth like a giant tobacco tie.


Their request should have been something like this: That they are asking for his help in getting the tribe's permission to allow them to have a gathering in the Black Hills. They respect that the Black Hills is sacred to them, and therefore they are asking for permission and guidance as to where in the Black Hills it would be ok for them to do this. They should've then layed out how many people are expected and for how long----then went into great detail about how they would respect and protect the site and the local environment, clean up afterwards, and so on and so forth.

Then they should have followed to a T whatever he suggested, and whatever the tribe says, and whatever they agreed to do and said they would do. They should make sure that the site is clean and healthy when they leave---even better than before they arrived.

They should then give thanks to the tribe, and the medicine man, and so forth for all they do, and for letting them stay in the Black Hills. If the medicine man requests a ceremony (they should probably request a sponsor to help them follow protocol and to make sure they do everything right and to teach them) then everyone performing the ceremony should be thanked even down to the singers and the drummers. This should be repeated if a thankyou (wopila) ceremony is required. (If it is simply a sweat lodge then just a gift of tobacco to the medicine man or whoever is pouring. (If the wopila is a sweat lodge then a gift of a meal for all attending is appropriate). Then they should thank the tribe as a whole after the use of the site----with gifts of clothing, or food, or money or whatever is appropriate. And very important---honor their decisions and requirements.

Word of such respect and actions might even be shared among other tribes and could build up a very strong relationships for years to come between the Rainbow Tribe and the Native Americans...

 

it isn't exceptionalism.
i can't stand the filth of wasp exceptionalism, arrogance and aggressiveness.

sorry to respond with anger. i know it bennifits nothing to do so.
but the comment was an expression of what is basically dishonesty and worse then dishonesty.

 

The idea that there are certain rights and types of title that only apply to FNs is the definition of exceptionalism.

 

only they don't apply only to first nations, they apply to all SOVEREIGN nations.

 

Either you don't understand the injustices that First Nation people have been subjected to since the arrival of the White Man, even up to today, and the discrimination, exploitation, and repression that they, as a culture, experience on a daily basis, or you are referring to a cultural heritage and its traditions that they are trying to protect, because, after all-------that is all they have left.

They certainly do not enjoy white privilege. There isn't much in the special rights they can enjoy. Sure, they may be wards of the State in the sense that they recieve government commodities and what not, but that has been a massive tool of exploitation. They received free education----well, that's not quite right----their children were aggressively forced into schools against their wills, at the very time when they should have been learning their traditional values, and how to build a family and be a productive part of the tribe and a proper human being. Instead they had their languages beat out of them, Christianity shoved down their throats, and forced to learn white trades to function in a white world where they would barely be accepted.

In the US they do have a special right to own such ceremonial objects as eagle feathers----how does that work out for them? It is illegal for non-natives to have eagle feathers, and the feathers of other protected species. But if a game warden or cop saw that you had one, unless you were killing the birds, they probably wouldn't care, or they may ticket you and confiscate it. If you bought it from a Native, it be the same thing. On the other hand, if a Native were to get caught selling an eagle feather to a white man, he's going to prison.