Why? He is the one who says he feels guilty Is he actually prepared to do anything about it? ......other than write posts on an internet messageboard to make him sound like a nice person that is
Ha, ha, - hoist by your own petard, - you tell another person to do something, but you're not prepared to 'lead by example' and do it yourself !!!
I see, this is just a way to avoid focus on you or him not having done anything personally about it I'm not going to do anything because I don't believe it's real, Australia we have had wave after wave of immigrants, some brown who now own million dollar houses in Strathfield
I can read between the lines, and other than trying to sow the seeds of dissension what other purpose does it serve? I have an IQ score higher than 95% of all whites, does that make me as a black man smarter, superior, than 95% of Caucasians, of course not. I would be a fool to think so, and so should you.
EDIT: This is not being posted to allow racist elements to find their way into science, but rather in the interest of transparency. This is part of what is discussed in anthropology curriculum; at least at my school, though the link isn't from there... Forensics 101: Race Determination Based on the Skull — Jen J. Danna/Sara Driscoll - Mystery and Thriller Author. I'm curious now as I've learned that, in terms of DNA, comparing two humans' DNA, they are virtually identical regardless of race. The DNA difference between two people of different height is a better marker than two people of different race. Cloud, do you think that DNA is an accurate representation of human biology in as much as it can be used to determine guilt or innocence in a court of law? This is as I mentioned fundamentally accepted factor in college education, just FYI. Did you study biology or sociology or anthropology? Interestingly though, in anthro specific to forensic identification, there are certain markers that at most suggest categorical such that: I do wonder how that element factors into DNA, and if there are specific genes in DNA that determine the skeletal elements concerned with making these determinations. I tried to take a forensic anthropology course, but it was basically police work forensics and didn't have much focus on anthropology at all. I dropped it with a W on my transcript.
I guess I would seem like a random guy from your POV, since you haven’t been posting here for very long. I’ve been here for 16 years so my entire life’s story is on display from pictures, to art, humor, but mostly through the written word.
For some of the problematic features of Gill's analysis: Does Race Exist? Not Like You May Think. A Response to Gill (2000). – Have You Hrd(lička) of my Anthropology Blog? "In the first section of his argument, Gill makes the argument that “the “reality of race” therefore depends more on the definition of reality than on the definition of race [emphasis added].” And truly his entire argument rests on this assumption. However, it’s inherently problematic—because as any philosopher or debater worth his salt will tell you—until all terms are defined and agreed upon, no argument is valid. To argue for the existence and utility of the race concept while dismissing his responsibility to define it invalidates his argument from the outset. Race is the crux of his argument. Further, while the definition of reality may, in fact, be problematic, I’ve always approached reality with the definition of “phenomena which can be empirically proven to exist, and which, in general, would exist in the universe even without human cognition there to analyze it.” For example, in the history of humanity and obviously farther back, bacteria have “always” existed. That they were only detectable as discrete entities since the invention of the microscope and then shown to cause disease through later experimentation does not mean that they did not exist before then. Bacteria were always a reality, even while humans ascribed disease to magic. The reality of the attribution of disease to magic and the reality of the stress caused by fear of magical attack/social taboos against interacting with the cursed/etc. leading to illness does not equate to, prove, or even support the notion of reality of magic as a causative entity or force in disease/illness acquisition. Compare this analysis of “reality of magic” to the sentence that immediately follows: If we choose to accept the system of racial taxonomy that [American*] physical anthropologists have traditionally established—major races: black, white, etc.—then one can classify human skeletons within it just as well as one can living human beings. In 1955, Malinowski argued that the Trobriand islanders’ understanding of magic was entirely rational and logical within its own set of premises; that we from the Western scientific perspective reject at least one of these premises (namely that supernatural forces affect our lives)—combined with our Western superiority complex—we therefore see their magical system as illogical and primitive. To the Trobriand islanders, magic works, or, rather, seems to work, and is therefore a valid enough system. Gill is basically invoking the same argument: because the American physical anthropologist’s racial taxonomy repertoire works, or, rather, seems to work, it’s therefore a valid enough system. But in the absence of a falsifiable definition of race as a biological reality, we are justified in withholding belief in it. And following that, he says “…the skeleton reflects race, whether “real” or not, just as well if not better than superficial soft tissue does. The idea that race is “only skin deep” is simply not true…” The latter sentence is just a dishonest attempt to be cute, while the former sentence, if you look at it, is entirely meaningless. What he seems to mean is that the skeleton reflects some degree of observable, measurable, and generalizable diversity which he decides to call “race” whether or not it is an actually valid concept, which we can’t know because he never defines “race” (because there is no valid definition of “race”). Gill writes that tests for individual traits are over 80% accurate in assigning a skeleton to its race (Klepinger (2006) reported one test as being 88.1% accurate). My question is this: what if a skeleton falls outside of its race (into that 20%/11.9% that are misassigned)? Is it then essentially not of that race? He notes that “multiple criteria” are the key to success, but without it being 100% accurate, is it a good way to assess the essentialist category of race? Gill then clarifies his position on race: he’s a believer in the biological concept of race based on the morphological “evidence,” while blood factor analysis suggest “clines” instead of “races.” He says that while racialists don’t deny the existence of clines, clinalists deny the racial evidence from skeletal biology, and decries it as politically motivated and unscientific. Granted, I’m reading this 15 years later with an abundance of new evidence that discredits race as a biological category (See Juliann Friel’s excellent analysis of the biological nonreality of race). Maybe the evidence was more sparse or at least less definitive in his time. It makes me wonder if he’s changed his mind in light of 15 years of new evidence. Toward the end of his paper, Gill asks an important question: “Does discussing human variation in a framework of racial biology promote or reduce racism?” He brings up a valid concern that a colleague mentioned: that if we stop talking about race, it will promote racism. We see this presently in the context of #BlackLivesMatter and the “white” response of #AllLivesMatter, which really can be traced back to the erasure caused by people trying to be PC regarding race over the last couple decades. The noble ideal of everyone being equal and colorblindness has really just given people endowed with white privilege a way to deny that structural racism exists. I don’t think that people who say #AllLivesMatter are malintentioned; on a philosophical level they are not wrong. But coming from the flawed framework of a so-called post-racial society (or, as my parents like to put it, a society that people should just be happy isn’t as bad as it was during their parents’ childhoods), they don’t recognize the otherwise invisible inequalities alive and well in society today. “If we’re all equal, why do blacks deserve special treatment? I don’t get special treatment. In fact, as a white person, the fact that I’m not afforded special treatment is discrimination against me!” In a post-racial society, #BlackLivesMatter means #BlackLivesMatterAndOthersDon’t or #BlackLivesMatterMore. Those of use who are socially aware enough to recognize the nonexistence of a true post-racial society, as well as disenfranchised minorities who have to live in that society, see #BlackLivesMatter as meaning #BlackLivesMatterToo. And in this context saying #AllLivesMatter is akin to attending a breast cancer research fundraiser with a sign saying “THERE ARE OTHER DISEASES TOO” – uncouth, unnecessary, and belying a lack of understanding of the purpose of the movement. But the difference lies herein: talking about race from a social science perspective (social, political, cultural, economic, psychological) is helpful in combating racism, because these are the frameworks in which race exists in reality, in that people are arbitrarily categorized, and these categories accurately predict individuals’ experience within these frameworks, while recognizing the diversity in certain experiences and similarities in others. For example, a dark skinned person is more likely to be pulled over by a policeman, is less likely to be hired for a job when compared to a white person with the same credentials, is less likely to get good healthcare regardless of economic status, and is more likely to be assumed to be unintelligent and/or violent based solely on appearance, just to name a few. This is opposed to the promotion of biological race, which does nothing but further instill notions of inherent difference between people separated by an arbitrary and imprecise visual assessment of skin color and bone measurement. Atwood Gaines does an excellent and convincing job of dismantling the idea of scientific race in his chapter, “Race: Local Biology and Culture in Mind” and is definitely worth the read for people who may be on the fence. Ultimately, Gill’s position is untenable. Without a definition of race, he doesn’t have a position to begin with. It’s an ideology with no basis. He just likes the word race, but it’s such a politically laden term that it’s no longer useful. Even if he could come up with a good definition, he should really just come up with a different word. Race needs to be retired from biology just as retarded, idiot, moron, and imbecile have been retired from psychological lexicon."
True. My point is that we shouldn’t always assume it is for racism based reasons though. A while back, Starbucks changed their loitering policy after manager kicked out 2 black guys who were sitting around and refused to order anything. They were taking up paying customer space, using the WiFi, and refused to order drinks. After that was caught on tape everyone deemed her a racist and she resigned for her personal safety from the far left lynch mob.
But none other than George Gill, whose authority you established in your previous post, acknowledges that nearly half of physical and biological anthropologists believe "either that the traditional racial categories for humankind are arbitrary and meaningless, or that at a minimum there are better ways to look at human variation than through the 'racial lens.'"NOVA Online | Mystery of the First Americans | A proponent's perspective He notes that : "As pointed out in a recent 2000 edition of a popular physical anthropology textbook, forensic anthropologists (those who do skeletal identification for law-enforcement agencies) are overwhelmingly in support of the idea of the basic biological reality of human races, and yet those who work with blood-group data, for instance, tend to reject the biological reality of racial categories." For a discussion by an esteemed (by Gill) physical anthropologist who believes "(t)here is no such thing as a biological entity that warrants the term "race", see C.Loring Brace, "Does Race Exist?" NOVA Online | Mystery of the First Americans | An antagonist's perspective We realize that in the extremes of our transit—Moscow to Nairobi, perhaps—there is a major but gradual change in skin color from what we euphemistically call white to black, and that this is related to the latitudinal difference in the intensity of the ultraviolet component of sunlight. What we do not see, however, is the myriad other traits that are distributed in a fashion quite unrelated to the intensity of ultraviolet radiation. Where skin color is concerned, all the northern populations of the Old World are lighter than the long-term inhabitants near the equator. Although Europeans and Chinese are obviously different, in skin color they are closer to each other than either is to equatorial Africans. But if we test the distribution of the widely known ABO blood-group system, then Europeans and Africans are closer to each other than either is to Chinese. Then if we take that scourge sickle-cell anemia, so often thought of as an African disease, we discover that, while it does reach high frequencies in some parts of sub-Saharan Africa, it did not originate there. Its distribution includes southern Italy, the eastern Mediterranean, parts of the Middle East, and over into India. In fact, it represents a kind of adaptation that aids survival in the face of a particular kind of malaria, and wherever that malaria is a prominent threat, sickle-cell anemia tends to occur in higher frequencies. It would appear that the gene that controls that trait was introduced to sub-Saharan Africa by traders from those parts of the Middle East where it had arisen in conjunction with the conditions created by the early development of agriculture. Every time we plot the distribution of a trait possessing a survival value that is greater under some circumstances than under others, it will have a different pattern of geographical variation, and no two such patterns will coincide. Nose form, tooth size, relative arm and leg length, and a whole series of other traits are distributed each in accordance with its particular controlling selective force. The gradient of the distribution of each is called a "cline" and those clines are completely independent of one another. This is what lies behind the aphorism, "There are no races, there are only clines." Yes, we can recognize people from a given area. What we are seeing, however, is a pattern of features derived from common ancestry in the area in question, and these are largely without different survival value. To the extent that the people in a given region look more like one another than they look like people from other regions, this can be regarded as "family resemblance writ large." And as we have seen, each region grades without break into the one next door." Writing in Science, the prestigious journal of the National Academy of Sciences, Yudell et al argue that the use of biological concepts of race in human genetic researchis problematic at best and harmful at worst", and conclude: "It is time for biologists to find a better way." In his book race Unmasked: Biology and Race in the Twentieth Century, Yudell shows that the race concept is a flawed, inaccurate way to measure human diversity inseparable from social prejudice. In her thoroughly researhed book Superior: The Return of Race Science, geneticist Angela Saini convincingly argues that ather than distinct races, groupings or borders, the continually mixing populations produced only gradients, with some traits slightly more common in some regions than others. “Individual variation within population groups, overlapping with other population groups, turned out to be so large that the boundaries of race made less and less sense.” See also Ramin Skibba, "The Disturbing Resilience of Scientific Racism", Smitsonian Magazine, May 20, 2019. The Disturbing Resilience of Scientific Racism | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
No, in this highly charged racial atmosphere, we shouldn't "assume" anything. Racism and racial misunderstanding are problems on both sides of the political spectrum. Did Starbucks post its loitering policy? If not, perhaps they should have. If they did, I think they should have had the guts to stick with their decision. In a country of over 300 million people, I'm sure there will be plenty such incidents of racial misunderstanding, particularly when people are looking for them. There was the "waterbuffalo" incident at the University of Pennsylvania, where a white Jewish student, Eden Jacobowits, was disciplined for calling noisy African-American women "water buffalo" for disturbing his studies. The remark was construed as racist. It was derived from behema , Israeli slang for rowdy person. He sued. Penn settled. Then there was the D.C. official who was fired, at the urging of offended employees, for describing the city budget as "niggardly". The word has nothing to do with race, but apparently sounded too much like a racial epithet. After the case received national overage, the Mayor agreed to rehire him. For every one of these, there seems to be a countervailing Kathy who will call the cops because an African American is in a place where she doesn't think he has a right to be.
Hope you realize that assuming every rude action is a racist action, is going to trivialize a real act of racism.
I followed the story closely at the time.The two guys were waiting for a friend, but made the mistake of asking to use the restroom They were refused because they hadn't purchased anything, and when they refused to leave the store, she called the police. The problem is Starbucks does not have a companywide rule against customers using restrooms without purchasing anything, the manager instituted that policy herself. She fucked up twice, first instituting a policy without consulting headquarters, and second for calling the police on two guys who were simply waiting for a friend. Well now she's out on her ass, and they've been given carte blanche at Starbucks Still have to wonder if they were white college preppies, would she have called the police?
Wow, Gloomy! Greg Johnson? You left out some items from his credentials: White nationalist ; eugenicist; advocate of a white ethno-state; self-identified "transphobe"(hates trans people); editor-in-chief of Counter-Currents. a leading Anti-Semitic white nationalist publication; raging anti-Semite, who wants to ship all the Jews to Israel. Would you go with them, Gloomy, or will you stay and take your chances with the Anti-Semites. You certainly gave us an extensive quotation from thisfine fellow. Let me fill in some more: “The idea of ethnonationalism is true and good, regardless of the real and imagined crimes, mistakes, and misfortunes of the Old Right. Thus we feel no need to ‘deny,’ minimize, or revise the holocaust...’” — “Dealing with the Holocaust,” Occidental Observer, July 20, 2012. “The organized Jewish community is the principal enemy — not the sole enemy, but the principal enemy — of every attempt to halt and reverse white extinction. One cannot defeat an enemy one will not name. Therefore, White nationalism is inescapably anti-Semitic.” — “Vanguardism, Vantardism, & Mainstreaming,” Counter-Currents, October 9, 2014. “As for the Jews … At the very least, all their property should be confiscated. At the very least. There are two reasons for this. First, we should consider it reparations. Second, if they were allowed to keep their wealth, they would immediately use it to stir up trouble against us. Just look at what happened when Adolf Hitler, with the typical excess of kindness that was his greatest flaw (emphasis mine), allowed the Jews of Germany to emigrate with their fortunes.” — As T.C. Lynch, “To Cleanse America: Some Practical Proposals,” Vanguard News Network, 2003. “Blacks don’t find white civilization comfortable. It is like demanding they wear shoes that are two sizes too small when we impose our standards of punctuality and time preferences, demand that they follow our age-of-consent laws, or foist the bourgeois nuclear family upon them. These things don’t come naturally to Africans. White standards like walking on the sidewalk, not down the middle of the street, are oppressive to blacks. Such standards are imposed by the hated ‘white supremacy’ system. But if we don’t impose white standards upon them, we have chaos. We have great cities like Detroit transformed into wastelands.” — “White Nationalists Are Not White Supremacists,” Counter-Currents, March 06, 2017. “If I were just to design a society from scratch it would work this way: I would, first of all, I’d get rid of any voluntary birth control. Voluntary birth control means that people who are far-sighted and responsible restrict their fertility and people who are impulsive and stupid don’t. That’s dysgenic, in and of itself, on the face of it. So you can’t leave birth control to the individual … If somebody gets arrested for a violent crime, you should offer them a reduced sentence if they get sterilized. I mean, that is totally reasonable behavior.” —Interview with Patrick Hermansson from Hope Not Hate for “Undercover With the Alt-Right,” The New York Times, September 19, 2017. “I’m an out-and-out transphobic. I just think transsexualism is a ghastly, insane phenomenon in America today, or in the white world today.” — “Straight But Not Narrow Nationalism: Gays, Women & The Manosphere,” Red Ice TV, March 31, 2016. “If in the next national election, everybody who voted Republican dropped dead in the voting booth, the country would be finished. You can’t have a functioning society consisting of bureaucrats, academics, welfare parasites, Jews, coloreds, feminists, fruit juice drinkers, and assorted busybodies.” — “Why Conservatives STILL Can’t Win,” Counter-Currents, December 28, 2010. “The tragedy of inter-racial dating is that the non-defective few will always be lumped in with the defective many. If you want to avoid that tragedy, don’t date a non-white.” — As Trevor Lynch, “More on the Dynamics of Race-Mixing,” The Occidental Quarterly, June 7, 2009. “We White Nationalists claim that the mixing of races inevitably causes hatred and conflict. So it is silly for us to pretend that we are immune to the effects of racial mixture. If White Nationalists who claim not to hate other races are honest, then they are living refutations of their own claim that multiracial societies breed hatred. ‘I am living proof that multiracial societies cause racial hatred.’” — Confessions of a Reluctant Hater, Conspiratology, first published on March, 29, 2006, under the name Mike Meehan. “America would be improved by fewer Blacks, Asians, and Mestizos, not more of them. America would be improved by fewer Muslims, not more of them. And of course this country would be vastly improved by fewer Jews. (I think America would be improved by fewer Christians too, but that's another essay.)…. White America is a mixture of people from all over Europe, slowly being submerged in a rising tide of mud.” — As T.C. Lynch, “A ‘Nation of Immigrants?’”, Vanguard News Network, February 4, 2003. “As for the Jews … At the very least, all their property should be confiscated. At the very least. There are two reasons for this. First, we should consider it reparations. Second, if they were allowed to keep their wealth, they would immediately use it to stir up trouble against us. Just look at what happened when Adolf Hitler, with the typical excess of kindness that was his greatest flaw, allowed the Jews of Germany to emigrate with their fortunes.” — As T.C. Lynch, “To Cleanse America: Some Practical Proposals,” Vanguard News Network, 2003. “Yes, there would be thousands of White race traitors marching and holding candlelight vigils. That's why we have rubber bullets and fire hoses. Yes, Blacks and Mexicans would riot and burn down their neighborhoods and Korean convenience stores. But that's why we have police and the National Guard. What? Do White men no longer know how to crack heads and fire guns? In the end, non-White lawlessness would simply allow us to accelerate their expulsion. “ — As T.C. Lynch, “To Cleanse America: Some Practical Proposals,” Vanguard News Network, 2003. ******************************************************************************* Sieg Heil! What excerpt will you give us next? Something from Mein Kampf?
