Racism still exists

I'm glad that people realize how bad it is. (Even though many people do not acknowledge it.)

I just have a wish that everyone who notices makes an effort not to support it.

Peace, love, and laughter
Amanda

 

I always find it interesting how when racism is mentioned it's automatically assumed to mean Anglo-Americans hating other races.


There are just as many people from other races that hate Anglo-Americans. It's a multi-way mutual hating situation and this gets overlooked far too often.

Another thing that gets confused easily is the difference between stereotyping and being a racist. Just because you stereotype a race doesn't mean your being racist unless you hate or intolerate that person because of the stereotype. IE: saying that you think people of a certain race are all lazy isn't being racist, it's stereotyping. Saying that you are better then an entire race or that you hate them because they are all lazy is being racist. It's a fine line, but one does exist and far to often people are accused of being racist when in reality they were simply stereotyping. I'm not saying stereotyping is acceptable or anything, but it's just not racism.

 

poor hard done by whitey........

I chuckle all the time when I hear all the reasons why its okay to say things like, their kind are all lazy, or, but whites are losing jobs cuz of reverse racism, or, that one I just read, yeah but they're racist too.......
So what? It's don't make it right.
and about losing jobs.......how else do you end the terrible imbalance that exists?
Laws against job discrimination have been around for decades.....and they ain't cuttin it.
Take away one percent of the jobs from white people, and some scream bloody murder.
It is too much for me to even start to get into.....cuz the excuses, resistance, rationalizing, and defending the status quo never end.

 

True, I am looking at the overall origins and growth patterns of the forest as a whole, and not at the particular situation of any individual tree.

My fault, because what I was trying to say is that "all water is wet".

Cos,
That's a well crafted response.
And yes, I would NOT call your behavior racist.
Your behavior is simply a careful behavioral response to the racist
environmental stimulus you had described.

I simply wish to point out that sex and death are the most primal and pervasive of our primate impulses, and that our desperate attachment to our racial identity is due to our insecurity with our sexual identity.

I would also agree with you that childhood trauma, where it occurs, is an overpowering motivator.
However, it is seldom issolated from at least some sort of psycho-sexual pathology of inadequacy.

Violence does have a sexual connection in that aggression is an hysterical expression of our death-fear.
We desperately mask our self-loathing effeminate fear with an exaggerated viciousness.

I have heard of the person 'Paris Hilton' several times this winter, but I have never seen a picture of what this person looks like.

What I think I remember, however, is that the name is usually brought up in the context of 'vapid, mindless, materialism'.

Is that right?
Well anyway, I'll check out your web-link and see for myself.

 

Yes, cosmicbrat, you know what I'm talking about. In Romanes language, which the Gypsy native tongue, they have a word describing all people who're not Gypsy: "gadj". And they think work is only for the stupid "gadj" and they are the wise guys who are easy living using stilling and tricking the "gadj". And the worst aren't the nomadic Gypsies, who still have some tribal rules and values, but the ones forced during communism to settle. Those ones aren't yet integrated, but they lost all their traditional values.
What I found funny about many Gypsies is that, even they are desrespected (and as you saw, not without reason) by the whites, I saw them acting racist against African migrants and Chinese.

 

I'm a white guy with dreads. A few months ago, I was seeing a black girlfriend. Some of her friends 'sterotyped' me at first but it wasn't being racist, they just didn't know me, then they did. Same thing with some of my friends. Maybe sometimes it's just a communication problem, one side not knowing much about the other's culture and whatnot. Stereotyping can be moved past with some understanding, racism won't budge for anything.

 

Well, stereotyping is already a form of racism. Because when you think "they're all like this" you already have a racial prejudice. And actualy the example given by mhr is a very good one. When you think a whole race, millions of people, 99.99% totaly unknown to you, are lazy, this isn't stereotyping is already racism! Even when is based upon accurate observation. This is what I explained in my previous postings.

So stereotyping is racism, but not all racism is the same. Not all racists are Hitler or the KKK. Actualy, most people are racist, usualy out of ignorance toward the other, sometimes with good reasons. But most aren't absolut racists, unable to accept the other. If things are going well, in the right conditions, racism can be left behind.

In other posts I described the Gypsy problem. Well, I'm racist with Gypsies, but when one prouves he/she is different from the stereotype, I step over the caution and the prejudicies. And so does most of the whites here and I belive so does most of the people in general.

 

In other posts I described the Gypsy problem. Well, I'm racist with Gypsies, but when one prouves he/she is different from the stereotype, I step over the caution and the prejudicies. And so does most of the whites here and I belive so does most of the people in general.


I am sure glad the legal system, racist as it is, at least does it the other way around. They start out from the assumption of innocence, in theory.
I know that is only theory though. The prevalence of incarcerated Natives, and in the US, Blacks, is clear evidence to me,, that bias is not gone yet.
And, of course, I hear the proof all the time, that Canada is not so accepting as
it appears.

 

BlackGuardXIII, you are not racist? From your words I presume you're African American, and I noticed a lot of racism among the Blacks in US. They hate and just hate whites.

You said: "I am sure glad the legal system, racist as it is, at least does it the other way around. They start out from the assumption of innocence, in theory.
I know that is only theory though. The prevalence of incarcerated Natives, and in the US, Blacks, is clear evidence to me,, that bias is not gone yet."

And you're saying this when there is a lot of positive discrimination with all those school and employment advantages create only for blacks. Sorry, but not noticing this and calling your legislation racist, is black racism only.

Please, don't tell me that all those in jails are angels who did nothing and only white racists put them there... What you're doing is stereotype thinking! Sometimes, if members of some minority are majority in prisons, there is a cultural reason affecting that minority. I think you didn't read my other posts about the Gypsy problem here, because there was explained what's going on with non-integrated minorities.

But I'll put you a question. What was the whole LA '92 riot about? Don't tell me police brutality, this is no excuse to rob all the stores in your own neighbourhoods and to attack people on the streets only because they were white. No, it was about racism, black racism, and as whites admitted they have a problem with racism and try to correct it, you blacks should do the same. And deal with the whole bunch of things who are maintaining blacks in so great numbers in the penitenciary system.

 

I believe the LA riots started off as having to do with police brutality against Rodney King, but then people just got carried away and decided to attack everything because they saw the chance to. And I don't believe that they were only attacking people just because they were white on the streets. And yes, many blacks are doing things trying to help the problem with the prison population. Maybe you don't hear about them. Many people know that once someone is convicted or suspected of something, no matter if they are innocent or guilty, they will have that mind frame that they are expected to be guilty. I've been harassed and almost put in the back of a cop car more than one time for things I had no association with. Just walking in my neighborhood, an mostly white neighborhood, is enough reason for a cop to stop me and search me. It has happened before and will probably happen again. I've got friends that have been harassed and after it happens they take the mentality of "well if you thinking I did something, I might as well, huh?" I don't think the legal system as it is, is racist. I believe there are SOME racist people in the legal system.

People aren't born racist. To be honest, I thought racism didn't exist anymore untill after I started to grow some. When people start to treat you like some exotic animal..."well ya they are cute when they are young, but be careful cuz they become dangerous after the gain some size"...racism is based on fear. And it does nothing but churn more racism. If people could learn to ignore comments things would be ok. If a cop harasses you, go to court and complain, don't take it out on everybody.

Kids that grow up in black neighborhoods and only see white people when they come to arrest someone isn't very helpful. They have this thought that white people are always out to get them. Or at least it seems this way.

I never grew up in a bad neighborhood. My mom was fortunate enough to get married and move out when she was pregnant with me. But I've noticed these things happening to friends of mine that weren't lucky enough to get out of those neighborhoods. Even though some of them have learned to control their feelings, they still mention things that are not good about other races. Racism is ignorance and ignorance spawns racism. People need to forgive the pass and move on. Don't blame a certain race or religious group for the actions of individuals in that group. Sorry this wasn't really pointed toward someone..just venting.

 

I think you have it all wrong here. A black man in the US can rob a liquer store, make out with 200 bucks, and get jailed for 7 years. A white man can rip off all the lower salaried employees at his company, stealing millions, bankrupt the company, and maybe get a year or two in jail. IF THAT. Not to mention he will be sitting up in a much nicer prision.


And affirmative action, in my opinion, is something that was needed at the time. Maybe even something we need today, but the goal has always been not to give blacks the benefit inthe job market, but at least equalize it a bit. African-american's still get paid less for the same jobs, and the average income of an african american in the states is far less than for caucasians.

It wasn't that long ago that we still had segregation in our country. Not even but four generations back. The wounds are starting to heal, but the scars are still nice and fresh. I admit to having met my share of black racists in my time, but the number isn't even comprable to the amount of white racists I have met. And I have more understanding for the anger and frusteration of african-americans. Anyone who can't see that they still have a struggle is just blind. It may not be as bad as it has in the past, but they still seem to start at a lower place in society simply because of the color of their skin.

 

Look, I'm not saying there aren't problems in the US with the minorities, as there are also in other parts of the world. But, let's not overreact, demonise whites and excuse certain blacks for everything only because what happened generations ago. I was only saying there is racism of different degrees (and actualy most people are more or less racist until they start to differentiate among the others) and that not just one color skin has the monopoly of it.

And always, when you have a big social problem, there are guilts on both sides, not only on one. Because, you know, victim of racism or not, that black robber remains a robber, and if there are many like him, the other people will start to fear and to desregard his whole race, guilty and innocent together. And here comes the vicious circle, because another young black, frustrated by racism, will attack, only to increase racism against his own kind.

Those were the main ideas of my message. Only thing, maybe blackguard irritated me a little, attacking an asertion in which I was trying to prouve wrong some guys very convinced that stereotyping about a race it's not racism, which in fact is.

Just one add. You should see if the difference in treatment you blame exists between your young black robber and a white redneck who does the same thing. If you compair with high corporate criminality, sorry but it's not about the race. The same thing is going on here, the guilty high businessman is escaping easier, but regardless if he is white or Gypsy. He is better treated because of his money, not because of race. The poor, white or Gypsy, gets the fool punishment. It's social dsicrimination, not racial.

 

my god it still exists?

 

Originally Posted by Sandu
'BlackGuardXIII, you are not racist? From your words I presume you're African American,'

Well, Sandu, you presume wrong. I was seriously involved for five years with a black woman, but I am of Scottish/Irish ethnicity, and my skin is quite white (see signature pic)
I agree that racists exist in all ethnicities. It has been about 30 years since I realized this. I have to disagree with you re: the judicial system. Sera's post is much closer to my own views on this subject. There is ample evidence to be found that supports the position that the system is indeed biased, and I am totally convinced this is the case. There was a news item from the US that is no older than 1990, that reported one of the states had convicted a white man of murdering a black man. No big deal, except that that was the first time in history that state had done so. Do you believe that this particular case was the first time such a crime had happened in the history of that state? I don't.
I acknowledge that the courts are also harder on the poor than on those who can afford more expensive legal representation....(ie. OJ Simpson). This does not diminish the above mentioned ethnic bias in any way.

 

It is quite hard to believe, I agree.........but yes indeed, amazingly, it does.
stranger than fiction..........

 

Sorry, BlackGuard, about mistaken your identity. And even if you were black, I wouldn't have any problem with that. Yes, I remember that news and if I remember accurately it was about Texas.

I wasn't saying in the past thigs wouldn't be as you said about the judicial system. I'm not very convinced about our days reality and I noticed many black criminals using racism like a sort of excuse, sometimes even for the worst crimes. And I don't think you can denie that some minorities do have an adaptation problem and they produce more criminality compaired to other groups. What I was saying is that this generates racism and the effort to eradicate the roots of racism should be done on both sides. I mean the majority should try to eliminate prejudicies of its own and minority should try to better integrate and stop criminality between its members, instead of continously using past as an universal excuse for the present.

 

I don't blame your teacher for bitching about you taking a ******.

(waiting for flames and crys of racism)

It's not that i am racist, It's that some folks were brought up racist and i can't blame them for still believeing the way they were brought up. It's a fact of life that racism is and will always be a fact of life, get used to it.

 

existentialism still races ......today kirkiguard [not a deoderante for smelly danish philosophists .]he won by a nose , hes a mudder.

 

What?

 

Nice choice of nomenclature, HT. If you were hoping for cries of racism, sorry, but all I can suggest is that you are just one of the millions of people from all cultures who don't think racism is all that bad. Well, imho, it is. And I was totally shocked by how intolerant, and ignorant most people are when they see me and my partner together. It is a good thing for people to be in love, no matter their ethnic differences, and sticking within your own little gene pool is called inbreeding, and leads to all kinds of deformities. I don't blame people, but I will always tell them that I find their comments offensive, and that I feel their hatred is based solely on the fear of those they are against. Fear of other cultures, homosexuals, the opposite sex, hippies, etc. is the basis for all the hateful crap that I hear from people every day. Don't hate, it is a burden that will eventually hurt you the most, imho.