racism and the force

point taken, and discrimination isn't right ...

However I do think that institutional racism is not just a phenomenon that is exclusive to white people. Maybe in in this country it is, but other parts of the world have it just as bad.

I personally don't have an answer for it, people try to find a way and whatever solution that is put forward always upsets one faction of society or another. It seems that the whole human race is in a pretty sick condition at the moment.

 

Yeah, institutionalised racism against white people does happen too in many countries. Zimbabwe is a recent case in point. It happens for different reasons in different parts of the globe, but it should be resisted where ever it's found. I can quite agree, the state of people today is rather fucked....

 

Yeah, but nobody's arguing that white people are evil! Any group of people are likely to abuse power while they're in a position to do so. In this country, that's white anglo-saxons.

 

Ooooh!

Finally something I can argue about

We did about institutional racism in the policeforce in Humanities...I think it's pretty fucked up that nobody realised nothing was going on till the Stephen Lawrence case...and nothing's changed in 10 years

 

racism is everywhere, and it doesn't matter if you put the name of a country in front of it....and by saying the police are racist, it's like stereotyping, because i doubt all of them are, even though a large chunk might be

 

That's not the point we're making, we're saying that the police force is institutionally racist. Of course you are right to say not all police officers are racist, I wouldn't even argue that a majority are. But by institutionalised racism we mean that the very structures of the police force itself are discriminatory. It is harder for ethnic minorities to make it to the top. The very top down approach of the force itself leads to cover-ups and mishandlings of race cases where ethnic minorities in society are discriminated against etc etc etc....

 

this is so true .. and i have had first hand experience of most forms of this .. on an individual face to face basis for a long time. there are good coppers .. but i do believe that the overall attitude is one of minorities are fair game to the coppers .. and even good coppers are affected by being immersed in this culture in the force as a whole.

Many coppers are ex-military. that makes us types a target straight off.

oh but you call them when you need them i hear you say .. shite argument .. would you put up with a pyromaniacal fire deptment .. (does that analogy work??????????????? .. damn my confusion!)






love and peace

Maon

 

Man,. when I was a kid my parents were really open about everything and pretty liberal. So I didn't see any problems in the world. But then at about 16 I went to work as an electrician for awhile (in the UK) and everybody was soooo racist. I couldn't believe it. I didn't think people like that really existed.

As I've got older (27 now argh!!!!) I've realised it's everywhere. Everyone at my local village pub is racist. I can't stand it. They're all homophobic too. It really brings me down. These are people I went to school with. How can there opinions be so different from mine?? I don't get it!!!

Don't they all realise we came from the same place??

How can we stop this?? I haven't found an answer so far!!

 

Sal:

I wasn't complaining as you know I am not of British origin I know what it is like to be in the minority however I have held enough high end jobs to know that jobs are given to people to fill the ticky boxes even when they are not as well qualified as the other person. I actually think I have gotten a couple jobs over other people because of it and I do not feel good about it but have a gut feeling it has happened before. I have seen it as higher management says you are not employing enough minorities so they hire someone who fills as many of the boxes as they can. It doesn't matter that the same person gets you the tick in the female box, the gay box and the asian box as long as you have ticks in these boxes management is happy. This is why there is so much anger in the non minority population as you hear it everywhere. (a quote not my words so please don't jump on me for this one) " Yeah those fucking pakies come to my fucking country take the jobs from me and wonder why I fucking hate them" I have heard those exact words spoken in a pub one night. So I think a part of it is the fact that if two guys go for a job and one is white and one is black or asian or what ever the white guy knows he has less of a chance to get the job then the others. It is a known fact within management and many places I have been in manangement or have known management they will admit it freely to you if you ask. Not when your applying for a job but if in conversation you are talking about it they will admit higher management pushes those buttons. I know that the minorities have been shit on forever and a day however I feel equality is the answer then no one will be able to bitch!!!!!

Cops can be nasty to you for what ever their reasons. They don't like your cloths or you hair or what ever I have had some serious run ins with the cops over my son because he has long hair, listens to heavey metal rock and is a goth. I cannot tell you how many times he has been picked up for questioning because of it. they even went to far as to arrest him because there where upside down crosses and 666 on the wall of one of the houses that had been broken into and they said it had to have been him and his crowd because of it. In the end they had no eveidence and had to drop those charges and they found out it was a townie (I think that is what they are called now) that had done it. But because he wears the cloths and listens to the music he is automaticly the bad guy so it isn't just a race thing it is a nasty cop thing. However I don't think all cops just some who again make the whole force look bad.


Love & More Soap box
EnonEmouse

 

So what do you think is the answer to the problem, Enonemouse?

 

Everyone needs to be treated the same! I know easier said then done but that would stop everyone from moaning. If everyone had the same treatment they wouldn't have any reason to be upset and then everyone would be happy. Now I will walk on water and feed a million with one fish. I know it is a big dream but.........On the serious side. i know I live in a dream world but if everyone was treated equal life would be better.

EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE IS THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!


Love & Sadness
EnonEmouse

 

i'll quote one of my favourite bands:

I'm not saying it's everywhere like that, but it's like that in too many places. I can feel the racism here(anti-bosnians) too good...but I don't think police is like that here, but then i haven't explored much of the world...

 

nope ive always been thirteen except for when i started

 

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I have no idea why this thread got bumped to the top ... but through my university placement I'm starting to see racism within the new 'community support officer' system too ... Not so much against members of the public, but within their own ranks. After we made a complaint about an incident we witnessed we were given the reaction "I'm not surprised, the vetting and joining criteria is very low".

There really is no place for it anywhere and I guess it happens with all jobs ... but on something like policing you would think they'd make more effort.

 

w.m.a by pearl jam

He won the lottery when he was born
Took his mothers white breast to his tongue
Trained like dogs, color and smell
Walks by me to get to him Police man (2x)

He won the lottery by being born
Big hand slapped a white male 'merican
Do no wrong, so clean cut...
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (2x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Jesus greets me...looks just like me...

Do no wrong, so clean cut
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man (3x)
Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (2x)

Police stopped my brother again (3x)
Police man (3x)

All my pieces set me free...human devices set me free...
All my pieces set me free... (2x) } (2x)
Human devices set me free... (2x) }

 

hmm after readeing this, igotta say it give me a new perspettettive (sp?) on filosify, on human bieings there interacshins, am maybe going to look for a infermatian make a statamante, maybe you inspired me too become a workeing male forceman is this a possabilitie yes........unsuel YES.......but u no wat im sayin

 

rofl to old threads

 

I grew up in the same part of town as my mate ben. I'm half scotts half irish, he's half irish half indian. One day about 10 yrs ago he said in conversation "You know when you get picked up by the police?" I said i'd been luck enough to have never had the experience. He couldn't believe it, said he'd often been picked up twice in a week just on suspicion, it was a bit of an eye opener.
since everyone's quoting music:
"searching my body for fucking what?
my gun's just for fun and my knife don't cut,
How can i make suckers understand
I get ill on a posse with my god damn hands"- chuck D

Hey lalalamort, is that a pic of you? You look a little older than 17, must have had a hard life. Nice medalion. bling
x

 

Its absolutely true. My brother is in the police and I think they train them to be like that using subconscious tactics. There's a lot of mind programming packed into the initial training period. Some of it subtle, some not so subtle.