Questions for an atheist and a theist.

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Varuna, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

    Are athieists and theists really talking about the same thing when they refer to "God"?

    Is it possible that an athiest's idea of what "God" would be, if "God" existed, is fundamentally different than a theist's idea of what "God" is, if "God" exists?

    What is the nature of this non-existent god of the atheists? or rather,
    What exactly is it that an athiest does not believe in?

    What if the "God" that an atheist does not believe in, does not actually exist?

    When you deny your own consciousness, do you ever wonder what you forgot?
     
  2. thumontico

    thumontico Member

    Omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence
     
  3. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    Unknowable
    Undefinable
    Indescribable
    Incomprehensible
    Unfathomable
    Immeasurable
    Inconceivable
    Infinite
    Eternal
    Beyond beyond
     
  4. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

    buddha never said anything about a god.
     
  5. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    did too......

    When asked by his students to explain the nature of God, he replied that God is unknowable, beyond our minds ability to comprehend, therefore it is a waste of time trying to understand God. Instead, he advised that we should focus on serving our fellow people.
     
  6. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

    Atheists think in machiavellian ways.

    Exactly. Atheists don't know God and have not searched enough to see God. They have a machiavellian view of the spread of the word of God. Read "The Prince" if you would like to understand their view of God.
     
  7. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

    I imagine it differs from person to person, and of course everyone's interpretations of the same thing could vary wildly...
     
  8. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

    What sect of buddhism have you been taught/reading? Cause I've read many mahayana/zen buddhism books and theyve all taught me that buddha never mentioned god... and that belief in a god wasnt necessary to follow buddha.
     
  9. thumontico

    thumontico Member

    God being unknowable isn't necessarily an affirmative to His existence, per se. In any case, I see no extraordinary reason why Buddha would be able to say either way.
     
  10. FreakyJoeMan

    FreakyJoeMan 100% Batshit Insane

    Jus seein what a lil' role-change does to an argument.
     
  11. darrellkitchen

    darrellkitchen Lifetime Supporter

    Hmmm ... well ... I never heard that ... and since Buddha did stress analysis I must say ... show me where Buddha said this !

    Darrell
     
  12. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

    There are lots of definitions of God. Here's how I (an atheist) could define God. I don't believe in any of the gods I mention below, or any combination of the traits listed below. I've listed the definitions of God roughly in order of importance.

    1. The creator of the Universe
    2. An omnipotent being
    3. An omniscient being
    4. An all-good being concerned with human affairs
    5. An omnipresent being

    Usually when I argue against the existence of God, I use the above definitions or a combination of them, because that is generally what people mean by "God." Of course, if I wanted to argue against the existence of God with a person who defined God as "my pet cat," then I'd have a much tougher time disproving its existence.
     
  13. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

    Hasty generalization on my part. My girlfriends an atheist, or maybe an agnostic. She is pretty sweet and optimistic.
     

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