Question

Ryupower

Nothing has changed my friend
HUMAN BEINGS have been taking drugs, having sex with anything that moves and disobeying their parents, killing people.
For ALL of recorded history.

Thats why the old testament says to stone rebellious sons.

MORE people saw and experience violence in the PAST than they do now.

The 'average of violent acts experienced by any one individual'
IS now LESS than any other time in history.
And FAR less than the period of western history where the CHURCH ruled europe.

So the prophesies dont seem to be adding up

Occam

 

Ryupower

Yes of course..the bible says so.. it must be true...?

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."
Leviticus 20:10

" If one curses his father or mother, he must be put to death"
Leviticus 20:9

And heres a good one...

"He set the earth on its foundations..it can never be moved"
Psalms 104:5

So you see
THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD SEEMS TO CAST GOD AS A BIT OF A MURDERING BASTARD< AND AN UNINFORMED ONE AT THAT

Occam

 

i AM curious..

ryu, do you believe that homosexuals should be put to death?

 

Ryupower

:H
And older kids dont get a wooden spoon?
They get death...
Well. that should teach them to do what they are told.
Right?
That'll teach the little shits not to do their own thing.

They should have used that law on jesus...the bastard tried to
do his own thing...oh ... they did....there you go.
Good.. he deserved it.
Trying to tell everyone to NOT KILL EACHOTHER..what a rebellious prick.

Occam

 

and at what age does the punishment change from the wooden spoon to death by stoning?

and how many rebellious or stubborn acts must a child commit before they become eligible for death by stoning? is one act enough, or is there some kind of stubbornness meter? can you give me an example of a stubborn child who ought to be put to death?

 

That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What if your parents thought your new beliefs were rebellion from your old ones, and decided to stone you for it? Typical closed-minded crap. You are much to young to be so bitter and hateful.

Ever think kids have a problem in society today because we live in a world where families barely have the time to be there for eachother? Or maybe the teen years (starting at puberty) is when children naturally begin to feel the urge for independance, and since we live ina culture where kids are kept dependents of parents for so long past puberty (unlike most of human history) that children's energy turns to a little bit of rebellion against their parents? Or maybe kids aren't any worse than ever, not much of history focuses on the specific behavior of children of their time (they just focus on what they expected of children of that time). Point is, there is a plethera of reasons kids may be doing drugs and disobeying their parents than we've stopped stoning our children.

Such social issues nowadays? You don't think they hadd social issues during the bible times? Honey, after living in this present time you wouldn't make it two days in bible times. It's funny you think some of the practices that would affect someone like you the worst are good ideas. Just wait until your parents sold you hand in marriage to some random man 30 years older than you that had a good number of livestock, which they probably would have done a few years ago...if you were lucky enough not to be sold into slavery and made someone's whore, that is. If only we had time machines so you could really see the error of your ways.

 

.... you seriously believe that kids shouldn't be allowed to think, but just to follow blindlessly what they're parents tell them to?

I think I remember you saying that you did not grow up in a Christian home... so you're rebelling! Randomly, even! Do you think you should be stoned to death?

Your mindlessness is worse than I could have ever imagined... and to think, you're only 15! What's even worse is that you think kids should be spanked.... you are one sick individual.

 

That sounds great. How did you think that one up? I bet you don't follow blindlessly to what your parents are telling you.

What does blindlessly mean? nm. I get it. Blindly.

 

It's true, I didn't grow up Christian. But this rule applied to the Jews in the old times, in fact, there weren't many others in those areas that weren't Jews!

The law applied to Jews, so that means that whoever
was rebelling against his/her JEWISH parents, shall be stoned to death.

And yes, I believe spanking is the best way to teach a young child discipline, the Bible even says so, they need to learn about consequences somehow, right? Why not early in life? Tell me a better method.

 

The Bible forbids sexual sin, which a whore commits. If they were to sell you as a whore, they'd be disobeying the Torah. Then they're the ones to get stoned.

The Torah never mentioned to marry whomever your parents tell you to.

 

My son is 14, and has never been spanked.... a better method? How about communication, respect, and reason? I agree that at the toddler stage, if the child is in danger then a light slap on the hand as a symbolic warning is okay, but remember, kids who get hit, learn hitting is okay. I did, my son didn't, and I am so thankful.

 

No.

 

I was asking for a better method to teach a child about consequences.

Of COURSE you need to communicate with them, and respect them! They're human beings too!

You may be misinterpreting my view of 'spanking'. I'm not talking about beating a kid to death, as in, " YOU DISOBEYED!BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! *SPANK* *SPANK* ROAR!!!! BLAHR *spank* :$ :X"

God says to love one another!


I mean it more like this: *spank* the kid: "Whaaa!!!"
the parent: "Now honey, I don't like spanking you, I love you, but you need to learn to obey. "
the kid:"hic"
the parent: "Remember I love you, but you shouldn't do that. Now how about asking God to help us with this? Remember, he loves you very much, so let's prey..."

See the difference? I'm not talking about a wild Tyrant out to kill his kid, but a loving parent who's just teaching about consequences...

 

And that is what I gave you. If you teach him that hitting is okay, then the consequences are that his chances of being in fights or beating up other kids increases. If you talk to him like a person, an individual in his own right, even at ages as young as 3 or 4, he will gain self esteem, and believe you when you tell him that it is not okay to hit.
Did I not make that clear in my last post?

 

*note: I edited that post before you replied.

 

btw, my son is a compassionate, loving, intelligent, and very popular kid. It seemed to work out even without the 'lovingly applied corporal punishment'.

 

Blackguard

Agree totally..

Sasha is my 23 yo daughter..and she has NEVER been disciplined
with violence.
Yet she is now one of the most ballanced and kind open hearted people.

Corporal punnishment is for the blind ignorance of the violent.
Occam has had scrapes with the law when trying to stop so called
'PARENTS'. bashing their children in the street..

Occam asks all.

IN the most important thing a person has to do in life.
That is..raise another human being. to be a HUMAN BEING.

What qualifications does society ask for?
NOTHING.
Yet you need multiple references just to become a janitor.

If society allows the job of raising children to be performed by INCOMPETENTS.
If it educates children in institutions made to produce workers.
And not free thinking people.

Then it is reaping what it has sown.

Occam

 

I think that it is funny to hear from a 15 year old about how parents should be disciplining their children. It is obvious that she is lacking life experience when she thinks that stoning rebellious children would improve social issues. Nothing but time and life experience will change this person's views, not reason. I was an unreasonable teenager once, not long ago, and I remember it well

 

OK...back on track: WHY do people clump Atheists and Agnostics together?

 

Atheists are the only people who outright reject the existance of gods.
Agnostics are the people that don't believe, but don't disbelieve.

And everybody else, the theists are the people that believe in a particular god.

Hence, all "non-believers" (the atheists and agnostics) are often just labelled at "non-believers," and few theists even care that there is a difference. So most agnostics get labelled as atheists, even though they aren't actually atheists. Heck, I even believed myself to be atheist before I found out what agnostic was.

That's why: theists are too stupid and too heartless to actually give a crap. As long as you're a non-believer, you're still a worthless turd that's going to hell.