Question

Try me.

 

Soulrebel51

OK

An athiest does not believe a god exists.
And occam will postulate here that the meaning of this is.
That Reality simply....is.
No god created it.
And we are all a product of chance.
This is the hardest line there is.

However.

To know this as fact.
IS NOT POSSIBLE TO A HUMAN BEING.
We are by nature very limmited.
And our greatest science still sees VERY LITTLE.
Neither you or our race sees more than a wee part of all there is.
And thus.
Cannot determine ANYTHiNG that occurs beyond our perception.

SO..It IS QUITE POSSIBLE.
That there is some sort of direction behind local or all of reality.

Just because we have not yet seen the elephant.
Does not mean it is not real. [wow.how protheistic of me.]

So my friend.
As the ignorant children we are..admit
That a 'direction behind reality'..or 'god' if you will
IS POSSIBLE.

If it is possible. Then how can you say you KNOW AS FACT IT IS NOT?

Occam

 

Correct.

Correct.

Correct.

Correct.

To really "know" that there is a god is not possible either. Sure, you may believe him, but its not possible at all to fully believe there's actually something up there making the world go round.

Still more than any religion has ever seen.

And?

This includes any kind of "god".

It is also possible that there is no direction behind local or all of reality either or whatever the hell you're saying.

The opposite of this is true as well.

Anything's possible.

How can you honestly say that you know it as fact to be true? You cannot.

 

Souolrebel51

you said it..
If anything is possible.. then god is as well.
Thus
One cannot say as FACT that god IS NOT POSSIBLE. as ATHIESTS DO.
The arguement was about ATHIESTS SAYING THERE IS NO GOD
Not about wether the silly gods of religion actually exist or not.
They are not in the picture due to lack of credabillity. Just like odin, zeus and baal.

The arguement is won by the agnostic faction
[Thats the second subsect to the right just after existentialism]
........hello. i've come for an arguement.
what?
An arguement.
Sorry ,,this is complaints, arguements are 2 doors down.

Occam

That was'nt 5 minutes just then!!!!.......
sorry...

 

In my opinion, god is not possible and does not exist. I have read extensively on the subject but lost all my links long ago.
But one thing that I remember: how are their universes still forming millions and millions of light years from us which our telescopes have seen? God supposedly built the entire universe in 7 seven days... I guess 7 days is the same as billions of years away from us, according to the bible.

Put down your bible and do some real reading.

 

Soulrebel51
Well. thats your opinion...great.
If you dont state it as FACT.
Then you are not contradicting reality.
[which allows the possibillity of a god]
Occam says exactly the same thing to THIESTS. who state
as fact.that there IS a god.
There may well be..or not..
Neither athiests or theists have ANY existant proof of anything
relating to a god.
So to make statements about the existance or non exixtance of such a thing is pure opinion.

As to whats out there...hubble did some DEEP SCANS of tiny
black sections of sky..[the size of a pinhead heald at arms length]
Every photo show 10's thousands of gallaxies and millions more
receeding apparently forever into the distance.
Humans say the universe is 30 billion lightyears across because thats
AS FAR AS OUR TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS US TO SEE.
Which maybe analogous to the vision of an ant in our world.

Occam

 

It said he created the earth in seven days. In fact, the Bible even states that 'NEVER, will humanity be able to count the stars.'

 

Universes? Surely, the word you were looking for was galaxies. Never has another universe been observed, otherwise, I think I would have heard about it!

 

ryupower

The bible also says..

"If a man have a stubborn or rebellious son. Then shall his father or
his mother..bring him out to the elders of his city.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones..that he die.
[Deuteronomy 21:18-21]

Occam

 

haha... I meant galaxies.

:H

 

This is irrelevant to the subject, I am suprised that this would have come from you Occam...

 

i think he was suggesting that the bible is just pure silliness.

 

Cab

Not so..The bible was used a s a reference by ryupower.
If he wishes to use this book as some sort of 'information'
that tells us about the real world.
Then occam simply points out parts of that same book
which are
ABSURD.

Occam

 

Colours

Not pure sillyness.
But a lot of it.
Occam believes jesus was a great MAN
And no more.
He considers the bibles description of 'god' and heaven and hell and all the angels exct exct.
To be no different to the tales of valhalla or mount olympus.

To use the bible a some sort of 'information source' about the
'creation of earth and universe'..well...pretty funny actually.

Occam

 

If he wasn't the son of God, than he was not a good man, but a BIG FAT LIER who was full of Pride and Blasphemy.

Either he was, or he wasn't the son of God; either he was sinless, or just full of sin.

 

1) he was telling the truth,
2) he was a big fat liar, OR
3) he was misquoted / the gospels, written after jesus' time, have large areas of fabrication and misrepresentation

..?

 

to 3:

JOHN was there, the Gospel of John was made within 20 years after Jesus' death. John was actually one of the apostels, and Mark was probably there too. Now, Peter and Paul knew him too. Both wrote practicly everything else in the NT.Of the two, Peter was an apostel and quoted Jesus too.

 

You could maybe say all that if you had the original text in John's handwriting. It isn't impossible that the bible has been altered. In fact, it's fact.

 

Ryupower

Incorrect...Occam does not
"recognise Him as God, nor honor or glorify
him as god or give him thanks"

Thus the 'prophesy' as you call it. Cannot be fullfilled untill
occam 'recognises' the description of god in the bible as actually
existing.
In 47 years occam has found absolutely NO reason to take
the religios descriptions of god from the bible/koran, book of mormon
or any other holy tome. As actually EXISTING.

Just because a bunch of people say it's true?
LOL

The number of people that believe a thing has
ABSOLUTELY NO RELATIONSHIP
To the actual existance of the thing.

Existant evidence supporting the 'god of the bible/koran exct'

ZERO

Occam

PS. Existant evidence supporting 'a god of indeterminate nature'
...some.