Question for Transgenders: True or False: Your gender is decided at birth?

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  1. Xboxoneandsports32490

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    Have a girl at school who was arguing this with me: Said something like “It’s the doctors job to tell your parents what gender you are at birth: they either say “You have a baby boy!” Or “Congratulations! You have a baby girl!” And she also went on to say that Transgenders shouldn’t argue with the Doctors decision: whatever the doctor said you are at Birth is your gender?

    Do you agree with her logic? Could that possibly be correct/true?? Or do think maybe she should just mind her own business and not worry about what genders people identify themself as maybe???
     
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  2. KathyL

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    ^^^^ This.

    Doctors can (usually) identify a baby's sex at birth. Sex being the configuration of the genitals. "Usually" because intersex conditions are more common than most people believe. Gender is not visible. The generalization that gender = sex is traditional, but not supported by biological data. The traditional declaration of gender at birth should be understood as "Unless the kid turns out to be transgender, it is a boy/girl." A simpler and more accurate statement would be "Your baby has male/female genitals.". But no one wants to hear that, so the doctors or midwives don't say it.

    Gender is also biological, based on structures in the brain, but it does not necessarily match the sex of the genitals. Certain political entities have a vested interest in suppressing that information.
     
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    I feel like the medical industry and this girl have the same mantra: don't argue with the doctor's decision.

    I can't imagine anything going wrong there.
     
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    Drs identity sex at birth, not gender.
     
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  5. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    Absolutely true.
    Whether your hormone balance is decided when you are in the womb, or develops after birth is something that doctors are still arguing about.
    Ultrasound can determine a male, but never definitely a female. The male organs can be slow to develop or be tucked out of sight during the scan.

    At one time, doctors and midwives were free to reveal gender if the parents aske, but things changed when a midwife got it wrong and when she left the hospital the mothers first call was to her lawyer, needless to say, this was in the US. :)
    These days medics are not supposed to reveal. This was when it was noticed in statistics that certain ethnic groups were aborting females. Needless to say you will never find that one in writing.
     
  6. wilsjane

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    If she is an argumentative know it all, then just buy her a gobstopper.

    But if she is expressing her views to open a discussion, then chatt away. Particularly if her ambition is to become a doctor.
     
  7. straightma1e

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    Asking the question what decides gender reverts to what decides genital makeup. The answers refer to x and y chromosomes and where they come from. Women can only provide the x chromosome while men provide either. A xx chromosome makeup develops a vagina and ovaries on the human body. A xy chromosome makeup develops a penis and testicles. Neither determines gender and this is decided at conception not birth. It is unable to decide true gender at birth as gender develops over time and growth towards maturity. One can have xy chromosome makeup but end up feeling feminine and have female traits. It is false that gender is decided at birth. Sex of the human, yes. Gender, no.
     
  8. KathyL

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    That is when everything works in textbook fashion. But it doesn't always work that way. There are XX people with male genitals, and XY people with female genitals. Not the majority, but some. Chromosomes are not definitive.

    Gender identity is a brain characteristic, and it develops in the second and third trimesters of pregnancy as a result of hormones. So it is determined before birth. The "feelings" of feeling male or female are a result of the pre-natal brain development. It is not a choice.
     
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