Pussy Paradox

I do not mean to be insulting or disrespectful but I can not think of a nice way to say this. How can this be your reply to what he has posted? Player guys that are not proper or nice, monogamy and divorce rates, men decieving women to get in their pants? I'm sorry but this does not address the points he has made.

It's not about women being choosey, if it were, one would think they would be looking for prince charming instead of always falling for the player who is not so proper or nice and we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's not about divorce rates or lifelong monogamy. He was actually in favor of multiple partners and experiences so the divorce statistics and failure rates of lifelong monogamy need not be used as a counter-point.

You were practically debating with yourself when you wrote "But wandering eyes are different from an outright continuous stare, which is what I think many women really object to, women do like to be noticed by guys so you can't say they always dislike them."

I'm not sure what you're going for here but I wouldn't continue to expect a response when your stance is unclear and is barely linked to the post that you are quoting.

Again I apologize if I seem like a jerk, I mean no offense but for the sake of this discussion I felt like this needed to be said.

 

Thanks, Mothman. monkjr seems to be speaking out of both corners of his mouth due to fear of female backlash. Oh, well. I`m not gender loyal and I think pussy-whipped guys deserve all the female self-entitlement they can get.

Cry me a river, monkjr. :nopity:

 

Maybe I misunderstood the context of this entire post then. That might explain the disconnect and why my posts here seem out of place to you guys.

If you guys find that my posts were debating themselves, it might be because I make a very strong effort not to think in absolutes.

 

When you think about it, woman have paradoxes of their own to deal with in the dating world. You are no different than any other person confused and resentful towards society's definitions of gender roles and the rules pertaining thereof. Maybe you should consider asking why you choose to let popular media tell you what you want and how to date. Because you're really preaching to the choir here, with this topic

 

Gender dating roles do stem from woman being choosy in a patriarchal society. They are adapted in response to male dating behavior for our benefit, though it should be said we have our own rules to follow. I believe womam have to be choosier...or more protective for our survival. Afterall, we are the ones who carry the child. We can't afford to take as many chances.

 

We aren't in survival mode anymore for one thing

and secondly

it is beyond absurd to try and blame men today for the way women 'have to be choosey' because they were brought up in a patriarchal society. We were raised in the same patriarchal society and we are not the ones trying to manipulate sex as a means for monetary, social and esteem gains.

Point being, we (I) wish we could live in an equal society, as Cherea states. One that we can be equal but still understand a difference between a man and a woman (which isn't a whole lot, in my mind) and some deeply engrained courting tradition. The fact is that men are subjugated for being open and honest about sex and emotions, while women are much more likely to hide and manipulate.

 

a famous Alfred de Musset quote (or rather, a rough translation i found with google) :

“All men are liars, fickle, false, talkative, hypocritical, arrogant and cowardly, despicable and sensual ; all the women are treacherous, deceitful, vain, curious and depraved; (...) but there is in the world one thing, holy and sublime, it’s the union of these two creatures so imperfect and so hideous.”
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Yes. We are actually talking about men who would gladly shed patriarchal gender roles, and women who refuse to. So, don`t you blame that shit on me!

Which, in actuality, puts the lie to the feminist discourse out in the open. The fact is, that patriarchy was never as bad to women as feminism claims.

Yes, women had to work in the home and were married out by their fathers, but they were also fed, protected, taken out of burning buildings and sinking ships before men, and never had to work in mines or roofing in the middle of July.

If patriarchy was so bad to women, you would think they`d jump at the first opportunity not to play out the Cinderella story over and over again, but as it turns out: they don`t.

 

that's a bit too easy to say Cherea.

I think there are a fair amount of females that aren't so blind to the illusion as to believe in Cinderella stories.

I do, however, agree that women would probably stand to lose MORE if 'equality' were actually realized in its text book definition. They would also probably be more likely to be the ones to wish patriarchy was back in place.

But that just goes to show that (most) females rarely know what they want.


Patriarchal society doesn't only 'put down' women, but it also subjugates the male psyche into roles that we have to play. If anything, the sort of middle ground we inhabit today allows females to have much more freedoms in life than males. Females can surely accomplish anything they wish to, and yet we, as males, also have to cater to them and conform to traditional patriarchal roles of provider, instigator (of relation/conversation), protector etc...all while maintaining our own emotions and being as dependable as an atomic clock in our behavior. Any moment we have a break in our actions (that include being a gentleman, hard worker, and you better not have any emotional reactions to anything) it is considered a CRISIS!

For gods sake, we decide that we want to buy a hot red convertible at age 40 because we have slaved away half of our lives and it is considered a CRISIS - yet females spend money on themselves (not always their money either) nearly every week and have meltdown level emotional reactions every chance available.


And the hormonal differences can't make up for the harsh differences. Men have hormones too, and arguably deal with a more detrimental hormonal mixture. Testosterone provides for a lot of anger, frustration and anxiety that has to be subdued in order for us to manage in our plastic wrapped, cubicle lifestyles.

 

I honestly think most females just want sex. They just go through all this bullshit to hide it.

 

I know females just want sex. But they also want attention and a powerful man to kneel before her and promise her the world.

[Again, this is not anywhere close to ALL females - but a vast amount that inhabit the social world]

 

As I see it, this is the only part of your post that addresses mine, and I`ve already responded to the N.A.W.A.L.T. argument above.

 

I'm trying to not keep discussing the same facets

 

Respeck.

 

The dudes have dominated this discourse for the last 2-3 pages. All the women, even melani have run. I hope beyond bitterness, something can be taken from this thread.

 

It`s not in women`s interest to discuss this topic, for sure. Things are cozy for them the way the are. Any frank gender debate that goes beyond Cosmopolitan mag`s unquestioned cliches (men are pigs, prone to fits of testosterone-fueled violence, too immature and clueless to make anything of themselves unless they are harnessed by women) will inevitably become a debate among men.

However, unlike you, I think a dialog among guys can be fruitful. Nor, do I think bitterness makes it worthless. Certain things should make one bitter, and I think the double standards applied to men by the feminist establishment and industry nowadays is one of them.

Nothing wrong with a sausage fest now and then, is there? :biggrin:

 

Sad sad sad shit.

Maye guys wouldn't creep if they didn't have to, if women got off their pretty asses and did the approaching, or didn't play "chase me or you don't get me" games.

Maybe guys would be nice guys and friends, if they didn't then learn this gets them nowhere and sadly ignored and not respected.

Damn laides. What the fuck is wrong with y'all? You are the ones perpetuating the things you claim to hate and not like.

We buy what you sell. Think about what the true nature of your manipulative pussy juice is doing to the world.

 

I'm still here lol. I just have nothing to add to this because the last couple of pages of this thread have been dominated by a couple of people that are obviously very bitter towards women. There is no hope in this thread for intellligient discourse. Its simply a woman-bashing thread (although many guys have made the effort to be fair). These posters, ironically enough, want to make cheap shots against women for not being logical (what an original insult!) yet nothing they've said has been based in logic and instead is based on their own personal emotions, feelings, bitterness, and cynicism.

replace the gender, replace the stereotypes, and you're mirroring everything you've said in this thread against women. Do you have any idea how hypocritical that is? You're like the fat girl that got knocked around too many times or cheated on too many times so now she hates all men and wishes she were a lesbian.

 

I can't speak for all women, but I stopped posting here because I was seriously offended by a lot of what you guys have to say.

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Also, I feel like you've become very self-congratulatory and also very "woe-is-me" because of the plight of the male race or whatever. If you want women to change, go out and spread the word, don't be all antisocial and discuss your problems with strange men online. That won't accomplish anything.

 

Oh and well said, Mel